College of Thelema: Thelemic Education

"":1vd8buee]During my resh, I assume the appropriate God form. After that, I recite the passages from The Book of Law. (Unity uttermost showed....abide with me Ra-Hoor-Khuit). When I start reciting the first passage, am I meant to continue holding my assumption of the God form? As I approach the end of my verse, I declare myself as Ankhafnakhonsu and visualize myself standing in his place in the Stelle of Revealing. How do I make this transition?"

I think that's a counter-sense. If you declare yourself various identity, then how can you mantain the assumption of the God's? However, the best method is the one who suit to you. Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole of the Law.

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93,

Thanks for the little help, I'm glad of it. However the difficulty of the operation I will try indeed.

93,

Hi to all, frater and soror. I've some question for you, and I'm a bit embarassed about 'em, however... I was wondering if exits any method, for practice cerimonial magick in the astral plane, and if this will have the same effects as doing this on material world.

With best regards,

thelemita1

It is passed a long time from the last visit I made to this forum. Actually, I can say I doubt everything whom was said by
Aleister Crowley, and everything who has connection with religion and spirituality. Apart some sayin' of Crowley's books, and other from other part, I still don't believe in theism. I'm forced up to be atheist, but today I believe that it is impossible deny the existing of Gods, like any other form of life in the space. What I think now of LaVey, (I didn't know he was a A.'.A.'. member) is that he said very interesting thing, in a very easy manner, that everything can understand him. However, I take kabbalah, and the law of karma very deep, and I searchin' up for better understand of these subject. I'm very glad to be welcome at the thelema community, and I still rank Crowley's books as an good point in the white space. What I said, for me, is very changed, it is evolved.

@nashimiron said

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@helemita1 said
"The thelemita mastery a idea that was existing in a mind already dead, that of Master Therion. Satanism is life, and innovative."

Anton LaVey died a few years ago. "

It's not a discourse about deaths. But ideology. Aleister Crowley was a man of extreme fantasy and dedications, but his works began and finished in his mind and in his life. Then, if you want to continue the work of a dead men, you can. As I said, I ear not for nothing. Anton LaVey, is dead, but his works are those of life, and are not based upon a fantasy. It's just like be atheist. We haven't the Babalon symbol, you can say, we have Baphomet, but this doesn't mean much.

@christibrany said

"I don't want to sound aggressive, but for the chap who said "Thelema is doctrine" you are not understanding it very well in my opinion. Re-read liber AL and maybe you will understand. It says in paraphrase 'convert not, argue and talk over not' because doctrine is a waste of time. it is one of the most anti doctrinal and anti dogmatic books out there."

So, now I don't wanna be take seriously when I say something. With "Thelema is a doctrine" I mean however you worship diverse entities, Nuit in principal. Then, you can say, Nuit is the space around us, and not a entity with a ego, but this is another discourse that I don't want to talkin' about. As I said, Thelema embraces many theories of Anton LaVey, so I say that Laveyan Satanism is very similar to Thelema. When you practice LBRP, you believe in something, indeed metaforicamente, but this is common to all known religions, include Wicca. When Aleister Crowley affirm that a entity -aiwass spoken the Liber AL, then I conclude that him was believin' in the existence of those entities as being with ego. Now, I understand that many of you won't concord with him, because as I said "Nuit is the space around us", although Master Therion believed in God, and entities superiors in higher plane.

@Edward Mason said

"Using ego to master ego is like trying to hold water in a cup that itself is made of liquid water. It's ultimately a futile effort.

The human being Aleister Crowley died, but the Master Therion is something more than human."

With mastering ego I mean know our own limits (I can assure you that everybody has own limits), simply know what somebody is. That's just a great pass through the age, and in history is proclaimed from the creations of religions.

Master Therion was Aleister Crowley and both were humans, and they died working for a creations of their own mind. How can you proof that Master Therion was something more than human? If you respond "with faith", then I will leave you in your idea/philosophy. I'm not here for judging my brothers and sisters.

@Edward Mason said

"93,
" My faith has departed because I come to realize a few things, that first my mind did not have clear, about Thelema. Then, I come across my collection of books, and I saw some books of Anton LaVey. And yeah, The Satanic Bible is very similar to Thelema. The idea of True Will, and the Expression of Ego and liberation of Sin of The Satanic Bible is mentioned in The Book of Law. The idea of Nuit, Hadit, Ra-Hoor-Khuit sono rispettivamente God (as a entity external to the body), Hadit (the God-man interior), Ra-Hoor-Khuit (the freedom from sin and Christianity). For not speakin' about the collection of Anton LaVey's essays that are much likely the brother Aleister Crowley."

Anton LaVey copied ideas from a variety of sources, Crowley included. However, nobody would say he was a mystic, or a deep thinker, or even a magician of any attainment. I don't know of any practicing Thelemites who take him seriously.

If his work helps you in some way, it doesn't mean you are a troll. But do remember, really understanding Thelema is the work of a lifetime. It certainly was for Crowley, who was smarter and more dedicated to this work than most people are capable of being.

93 93/93,
Edward"

Thelema is the work of a lifetime, but I remember that also Laveyan Satanism is a work of lifetime, because the Satanist lives and mastery his self-ego and expression. The thelemita mastery a idea that was existing in a mind already dead, that of Master Therion. Satanism is life, and innovative. Secularism apart, Thelema stand for a doctrine, the other not.

@Mahanta70 said

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@helemita1 said
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I had want that circle because when I wrote that I was believin' in Therion, Nuit, Hadit, Ra-Hoor-Khuit. Then I want to experiment. Now my faith is gone."

Since you mentioned the Satanic Bible, let me enter a mental decompression chamber, evoke a 'suspension of disbelief', and pretend that you are not a troll for the duration of this post.
How did you come to believe in "Therion, Nuit, Hadit, Ra-Hoor-Khuit"?
Why has your faith departed?
How is the philosophy of the Satanic Bible "very similar" to Thelema?"

First, I want to know how you judge me a troll. Just for know.
I come to believing in Thelemic pantheon because I like much the extreme culture of Aleister Crowley (aka Master Therion), been a wise man that I adore. My faith has departed because I come to realize a few things, that first my mind did not have clear, about Thelema. Then, I come across my collection of books, and I saw some books of Anton LaVey. And yeah, The Satanic Bible is very similar to Thelema. The idea of True Will, and the Expression of Ego and liberation of Sin of The Satanic Bible is mentioned in The Book of Law. The idea of Nuit, Hadit, Ra-Hoor-Khuit sono rispettivamente God (as a entity external to the body), Hadit (the God-man interior), Ra-Hoor-Khuit (the freedom from sin and Christianity). For not speakin' about the collection of Anton LaVey's essays that are much likely the brother Aleister Crowley.

Aha, that's a good point. I've nothing against Thelema, but I've read other texts, many of those are similar to the philosophy of Therion and Thelema (in particurarly The Satanic Bible). So It's more mind-likely my certainty, but my expierence as religious man want to take me to Master Therion.

@gmugmble said

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@Jim Eshelman said
"Colored tapes on the floor work quite well."

How do you get a circle made out of tape to look circular?"

Oh, you look so wise, can you explain me the origin of the universe and most of it within? You sound so retarded, my was a question, your a provocation.

"And, of course, my secondary question (just idle curiosity) is: Why do you want to create that specific circle?

It's a good one - it has very specific uses, and can be generalized to others - but, more broadly, why do you want to specifically create that one?

And, I suppose, the wider question is: Why do you specifically want a circle? Most magick is done within set-aside places, but not within a formal circle."

I had want that circle because when I wrote that I was believin' in Therion, Nuit, Hadit, Ra-Hoor-Khuit. Then I want to experiment. Now my faith is gone.

I've a question. How can I create a circle like this aleister-crowley-books.com/images/magic%20Circle.jpg? I've read that someone uses salt or other things but I want to know your methods for create circles.

Unfortunately, the country in which I live and I'm born, Italy, doesn't have organization about Thelema. Or better, there could be www.otoitalia.it/, but I imagine that are too small for been definided a Thelemite Lodge. So I'm privated of initiatoy paths. There is the freemasonry, www.grandeoriente.it/, but their holy book aren't Liber AL.

However, when I said that I live in Malkuth, but think in Kether, it's not well said. I'm not justifin' that I'm not young (it is because this year I will reach 18), but that it's like I'm in Kether. I fell strange. I fell without emotions, without mind, but I think when it's necessary. I've read about other religions, Taoism, Buddhism, and now I'm practicin' their theories, but I fell strange. It's hard to me to explain.

So, now i've recalled to me some of knowledge of Qabalah, but now i'm in another phase. So, I want to "revisit" all the sphere, higher plane and lower plane. Now I'm in Malkuth, but I don't can to take in this sphere because I think costantly to Kether, and my emotions are blank as a cup of water. When I think I go directly to the source of whatever stand in front of me. My mind is well controlled by me, is empty, and I recall at it when it's time. I constantly look to my Will, explore that. But now I'm in Malkuth, I want to live and explore this sphere in deep. How I can?

@Jim Eshelman said

"That's the answer in a nutshell - but I've written an entire book (776 1/2) that gives the tables and associations, an instruction in how to use them, and ten examples of that practical use: www.thelema.org/publication"

Are these ebook?

So, I'm new here, and I begin with this thread.
Now, I understand Qabalah, have some knowledge on this, but I can't understand its utilize on magick. I've heard of someone who pass from Malkuth (The Kingdom) to other plane of existence, but I sincerily did not understood very well this. I know that the Qabalah can help the mage to collocate the object, living being, divity etc. and explain the things in a more "scientific" way, but in the practice, for example with meditation, in what it can help me and with which results?

Thanks

93,

thelemita1