"I had written a specific, personal, moderately detailed addressing to the question of the Princes, Sub-Princes, and spirits, and that was just before the computer was temporarily zapped. For now, therefore, I'll trust that I wasn't supposed to write it."
Damn the Yetziratic Powers!
Either way, I really thank you for your input following that post.
@Jim Eshelman said
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@Kingsolomon said
"theres also Ritual VIII. I wanted to know whos had success on Ritual VIII"
Ritual VIII was the basis of my 5=6 operation, which was succssful."
I hope this question will not be too personal, given the character of the operation...
@Liber VIII said
"All that day shall he remain in the enjoyment of the knowledge and conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel.
And for three days after he shall remain from sunrise unto sunset in the temple, and he shall obey the counsel that his Angel shall have given unto him, and he shall suffer those things that are appointed.
And for ten days thereafter shall he withdraw himself as shall have been taught unto him from the fullness of that communion, for he must harmonize the world that is within with the world that is without. "
Are these "three days" nearly identical to the work in the Abramelin operation, i.e. evocation of the Demonic Princes??? If not,what kind of ordeals are we speaking about?
(Speaking english as a foreigner, I presume "to withdraw himself" means "to isolate himself from the world", just without the prayer. Correct?)
On a side note: What's your oppinion on Newcomb's "21st century mage"??? In spite of the fact that I do not have the experience to tell, I don't think that the results from what he is advocating is everywhere near the K&C of the HGA. I mean, his "Evocation of the Demonic Princes" seems to be WAAAAAYYYY too psychological and not-grounded-in-Assiah.
@Jim Eshelman said
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@Draco Magnus said
"I would add that since he jumped from the grade of Neophyte 1=10 to Master of the Temple 8=3, he in fact got no further than Yesod, since his writings rave about the importance of it, it being the generative organ of Man and thus spawning an infinite number of Trees, etc. "
Worthy observations.
Probably worth adding in comment to this: There is a fairly common phenomenon at the end of A.'.A.'. 1=10 and the transition into 2=9. The experience (reported by many of us, but not everyone) is that there is an experience that seems to be crossing the Abyss.
I think there are several things involved. One is that the scope of transition between 1=10 and 2=9 is huge, likely waaayyyyyy beyond what a person has experienced previously or thought likely. Second, there is a symbolic relationship between Yesod and Da'ath and between Yesod and Binah (see 11th Aethyr - how the "frontier of the Abyss" is painted in almost exclusively Yesod symbols). Third, every Sephirah has a sub-Tree in it, and (if my experience is any clue) that is a direct experience near the end of 1=10 of passing through the Supernals-of-Malkuth. (These sub-Sephiroth experiences were exceedingly common in all of my early A.'.A.'. grades.)
I was, therefore, suspicious years ago when I revisited the available part of Achad's diaries and noticed his specific experience of passing not just into Binah but of "overshooting" it into Chokmah and "eventuating" in Kether. This was very familiar to me - but as the Supernals in Malkuth!"
EXCEEDINGLY interesting.
(I know the previous remark does not offer much to the conversation, but I felt the urge to post it.)
""I checked the sunspot records for the time period around Crowley's death. The Sun has an approximately 11-year activity cycle (which is really a 22-year cycle because the magnetic field "flips over" every 11 years), and 1947-1948 was just about at the "maximum" of the cycle. Strangely, though, for about a 6-month time between the autumn of '47 and the spring of '48, there was a noticeable dip in the activity. The Sun "calmed down" for a time - not all the way down to its "minimum" activity level, but it was slightly unusual. (It happened before in the autumn of 1906, but only lasted a month or two...) Preparing for the influx of the Solar Logos??? ""
Is it SO physical, the Aeon change??? (Or more?)
Let it be stated that this whole understanding of the concept "God" is typically Western, and limited in this sense. This understanding of the term has nothing (nothing) [NOTHING!] to do with the Eastern understanding of "God" (as in the (purely thelemic) eastern orthodox church, before the extreme alienation that took place), which is wholly OK for westerners, but it's not that "that's it".
This question has stemmed from another thread: Where is Crowley???
A sub-question would be, where does one in the thelemic/sephirothic system achieve the buddhist “getting out of the cycle of incarnations”??? After crossing the Abyss, in Ipsissimus, "after" (?!?!?!) Ipsissimus???
A sub-sub-question would be: Theorising that the HGA -is- one's self (Crowley said in Mw/outT that this assumption is "a dangerous heresy", but elsewhere in this forum Jim said this is true "up to Adeptus Minor Within", or something along these lines, if memory serves me correctly), could Crowley's Ipsissimus name be simply Aiwass, meaning that "now" his current job is being "a minister of Hoor-Paar-Kraat"???
Jim said:
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If Crowley really was a magus or an Ipssissimus, where is he now, in whom deos he incarnate, prove that he lives in the astral plane beyond the abyss? yau can not, because it is not so!
Not my place to prove it to you, and I don't think it's on the astral plane. I have a pretty clear idea, but technically it remains a theory.
Could you share the "pretty clear idea"???
Well, look, if you want to follow Crowley's branch of ceremonial magick along with the initiatory path, I'd recommend crafting your implements at the appropriate time.
When I first started in magic, completely focused on "practical results", read Konstantinos' "Summoning spirits" and started crafting crappy versions of the H.O.G.D. implements. It has not done me any good, as it cannot be compaired to crafting each implement in the "elemental (body-)mind set" of the sephirothic grades. If you work your elemental way up, you'll have much less to worry about on crafting the implement.
Buying an implement is not supposed to be a good way to acquire a "powerful" implement, unless doing otherwise is impossible. Crafting them yourself is a huge part of what makes them "magical".
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If Crowley really was a magus or an Ipssissimus, where is he now, in whom deos he incarnate, prove that he lives in the astral plane beyond the abyss? yau can not, because it is not so!
Not my place to prove it to you, and I don't think it's on the astral plane. I have a pretty clear idea, but technically it remains a theory. "
Could you share this theory? For purely encyclopaedic purposes.
"I've seen a lot of debates raging about how you should define the LHP and RHP, most sensible suggestions for those who need such definitions suggest the LHP is all about tantric practices and quaffing down gallons of bodily fluids.
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When I said LHP, I meant being a Black Brother. Seems non-thelemic by definition.
First of all, Liber Samekh is to result in the K&C of the HGA after a long period of systematical performing, more than once a day. Which will bear success only if the whole working is fervent enough, I suppose.
However, Liber Samekh is also performed as an opening ritual and for other purposes of which I am unaware.
A question would be: Crowley clearly states that Liber Samekh is to be performed in the Body of Light (and when one gets to 5=6, I suppose he has a pretty "sharply-controled" Body of Light). However, for ritual opening purposes it is most of the times performed in the physical plane. Are there people who have done the operation for the HGA via Liber Samekh in the physical plane?
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It has, among others, all three (actually, two) of these.
About left-hand-path "thelemites": I think that the Book of the Law is pretty clear about this (personal oppinion):
"I22.
Now, therefore, I am known to ye by my name Nuit, and to him by a secret name which I will give him when at last he knoweth me. Since I am Infinite Space, and the Infinite Stars thereof, do ye also thus. Bind nothing! Let there be no difference made among you between any one thing & any other thing; for thereby there cometh hurt.
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Isn't this instruction clearly contrary to the objectives of the LHP???
As a side note: on my bungler magick days, I did <once> not quite the same, but something similar. I tried to boost me up with masculine archetypal energy, primarily using "Therion". For two and a half hours or so, I was... well, extremely masculine. IMMEDIATELY AFTER these two hours, the EXACT opposite occured- the gayest hours of my life. Luckily, only few people where watching.
Ahhh.... highly immature days...
@Nui said
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
I've been thinking about daily practices of late, and wonder what other people do. I do resh throughout the day. I do the lesser pentagram ritual. I read/study. What other things are there to do? Any suggestions? What do you do?
I'm new to Thelema and magic in general, so please bear with me.
Thank you."
I'm starting everything again from scratch to do some serious work in the future.
Now, I'm on 2 LBRP's daily+dream recovery.
on 10. November, I'll add a MPR after each daily LBRP, plus lucid dreaming techniques
on 10. Febryary,
+BRH
+12'-15' once daily, a tarot (major arcana) meditation using one HOGD card per week +astral projection (not body of light now)
around that date, I'll add Liber Resh. When I did Resh for a 3-month period in the past, it has done really good things to my life and practice, I was really astonished after a while. However, If I start it now, I'm sure to abandon the practice.
around 10. August(!), the tarot will change to A.C.'s tarot. Plus Liber E.
Good times.
I'm taking it slowly ON PURPOSE: If I start doing LBRP+BRH+MP twice daily, I'm sure to abandon it in 2 months or so. By taking it slowly, I'm pretty sure I can have much better results.
P.S. More and more people decide to start again from scratch, having done much, but not very organised work in the past. For the ones that cannot join a group and must work alone: Be organised! Take your time!
@Jim Eshelman said
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@Her said
"Just out of interest, why do you use the spelling Daimonos instead of Daimones. I've noticed this difference of spelling in various published versions of the Star Ruby. The Book of Lies and the current version of MAGICK Book 4 (DuQuette also) use Daimones."
I don't have the article at hand (here at work) to examine. I think the one is a typo."
"Daimones" would be right, being plural like the other three. "Daimonos" is genitive singular, so ΕΠ'ΑΡΙΣΤΕΡΑ ΔΑΙΜΟΝΟΣ would be either a syntactical abomination, or meaning "and on the left of the demon is..." Daimones! Daimones! Daimones!
Let me cite here the vibration "rules" from Liber O:
"3. The Vibration of God-names. As a further means of identifying the human consciousness with that
pure portion of it which man calls by the name of some God, let him act thus:
This woundn't produce sound, only nose-noise.
Is this method only for the Assumption of Godforms or something?
@SophiaLux said
"At the same time I find myself stumbling and lost in all aspects of my life. My work and my Work are shoddy and often nonexistant.
The thing is, while I am a good "self-teacher" to a certain degree, i tend to give up when I hit points of confusion that I can't figure out on my own. If I don't have someone (like a real-live person or two or eight) checking up on me and offering occasional explanations and helpful hints I might as well not even start a project because I won't finish it.
I'm not sure what I'm asking for here. Advice? Analysis? Am I just arguing with myself? Am I making excuses for not being diligent enough on my own? I wish I could ask someone these things irl--someone who knows me and how I work. It seems like its not going to happen (at least for another --wasted?-- six years or so).
Frustrated. Confused.
M"
Just judging from myself, please don't get offended: Do you think that you practice as far as practicing without a teacher can get you??? Because I'm always seriously worried about not having a group or a teacher near me, and then point out to myself that practically I'm not even near to really needing one to advance further. For example, what's your (daily) relation with Liber O and/or Liber E???
Thank you very much. If I stumble upon something doubtful in the future I will return to ask. Good to know that there is a forum where questions are responsibly answered, I am really thankful about the forum.
Thank you. Now I must learn to vibrate the whole sentence!
A trivial question:
I have found online at least 4 or 5 variations of the full ARARITA, with slight alterations each. Most often I stumble into "Achad Rosh Achadotho Rosh Ichudo Temurazo Achad". Is this the -correct- "full" ARARITA???
An extremely trivial question:
the hebrew "z" is supposed to be pronounsed "zs" as in Enochian and English or "ts" as in German???
Ah, thanks.
So, to recapitulate:
The Mark of the Beast should in all probability be the N.O.X. sign, however the "sigil of TO MEΓA ΘΗΡΙΟΝ" is to be used in Liber V vel Reguli.
Due to the fact that I, having here in Athens no tutor or thelemic order, rely very heavily on the printed information, do you think that there is a really important footnote or piece of information in the BBB that is wrong and the correction could be disclosed to the public???