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Tree of Life- Averse Reflection

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  • F Freya

    I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

    http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

    Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

    Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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    Freya
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    @Jim said

    " For example, the 11-headed serpent symbolizes many things, including shadow elements that ascend the Tree with us (our shadow content increasing with us as we increase in light, at least below the Abyss)."

    Jim, I was thinking about your words and asked myself how is this possible? Is it because the more we know the more potential we have to do serious harm? By ascending the Tree do you mean walking the paths and spheres?

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    • F Freya

      I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

      http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

      Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

      Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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      Jim Eshelman
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      Increasing n "spirituality" does not, by itself, resolve negative patterns. It may alter our perspectives so that we, in turn, undertake to resolve old patterns, but this doesn't happen automatically.

      So, as we grow, we just become expanded versions of the same critter that we were at the beginning. "Great people have great flaws: Everything about them is great." To change old patterns we have to actually place attention n changing old patterns, not just "increase in Light."

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      • F Freya

        I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

        http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

        Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

        Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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        Freya
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        Thank you Jim, that makes a lot of sense. Regarding the Tree and its averse reflection, are there any Angel - Demons correspondences? i.e. seraphim, cherubim and their averse correspondences to the spheres?

        I am trying to use the tree as a cosmic filing cabinet 😄

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        • F Freya

          I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

          http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

          Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

          Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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          Jim Eshelman
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          @Freya said

          "Thank you Jim, that makes a lot of sense. Regarding the Tree and its averse reflection, are there any Angel - Demons correspondences? i.e. seraphim, cherubim and their averse correspondences to the spheres?

          I am trying to use the tree as a cosmic filing cabinet 😄"

          The primary correspondences to the aversely reflected Tree are the Q'lippoth.

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          • F Freya

            I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

            http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

            Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

            Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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            Fr Seraphis
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            @Freya said

            "That's very interesting, I would like to find out more about it... any books you can reccommend, please?
            What attributions do you think are best for Malkuth?"

            Here is the picture:
            herbalwitchcraft.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/klippot-tree.gif

            More on the subject in a very interesting book:
            www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0972182063

            More info at:
            www.dragonrouge.ne

            Hope that helps.
            😄

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            • F Freya

              I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

              http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

              Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

              Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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              Jim Eshelman
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              The names are in 777 and 776 1/2.

              There is a slightly obscure Golden Dawn paper from the Second Order called "The Unclean Spirits." It's probably the most relevantly detailed discussion of characteristics, but it takes some work. If sufficiently interested, you ought to be able to find a copy. (Going from memory, I think one of Zalewski's books reproduced it.)

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              • F Freya

                I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                Freya
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                Thank you Jim, I am very interested to know more from reliable sources. Where can I find Zalewski's books?

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                • F Freya

                  I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                  http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                  Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                  Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                  Jim Eshelman
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                  @Freya said

                  "Thank you Jim, I am very interested to know more from reliable sources. Where can I find Zalewski's books?"

                  www.amazon.com/Kabbalah-Golden-Dawn-Pat-Zalewski/dp/0785811966/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1404942612&sr=1-5&keywords=pat+zalewski

                  I think it's in this one. Can't promise without looking.

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                  • F Freya

                    I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                    http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                    Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                    Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                    Freya
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                    It contains the Qlipoth lessons by Mathers, so it looks like it can very well be the one. Thank you so much Jim. I have liber 777 but I find it hard to navigate on my own.

                    Returning to Malkuth the bride vs Lilith the whore, isn't Lilith more an "anti mother"? Maybe this applies more to the reverse of Malkuth?

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                    • F Freya

                      I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                      http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                      Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                      Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                      David
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                      What's so bad about Litigators? 😡

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                      • F Freya

                        I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                        http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                        Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                        Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                        Jim Eshelman
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                        Lol, it has something to do with the mental processes? 😄

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                        • F Freya

                          I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                          http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                          Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                          Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                          David
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                          Well, you could argue that both ways.

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                          • F Freya

                            I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                            http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                            Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                            Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                            Jim Eshelman
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                            @David S said

                            "Well, you could argue that both ways."

                            ROFLMAO

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                            • F Freya

                              I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                              http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                              Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                              Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                              Jim Eshelman
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                              The word most often translated "litigators" is probably more literally "hagglers." I tend to think that, as Q'lippoth of Tifereth, they represent lack of equilibrium and (ahem) just proportion.

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                              • F Freya

                                I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                                http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                                Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                                Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                                David
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                                The Golden Meanies

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                                • F Freya

                                  I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                                  http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                                  Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                                  Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                                  Hermitas
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                                  "...argue that both ways." Lol. Nice.

                                  [lightning bolt]"hagglers"[/lightning bolt]

                                  Litigating "deals." Oh my damn... So much sense. For me, anyway.

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                                  • F Freya

                                    I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                                    http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                                    Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                                    Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                                    Freya
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                                    Why is the Tree of the Qlipoth called the Tree of Knowledge? I have seen elsewhere that it's called the Tree of Evil. Do any of you know?

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                                    • F Freya

                                      I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                                      http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                                      Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                                      Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                                      Jim Eshelman
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                                      @Freya said

                                      "Why is the Tree of the Qlipoth called the Tree of Knowledge? I have seen elsewhere that it's called the Tree of Evil. Do any of you know?"

                                      It isn't called the Tree of Knowledge AFAIK. There are passages (e.g. in one of the GD rituals) that give that impression if read a certain way but, in fact, are referring to Malkuth as the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil (e.g., can branch either way).

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                                      • F Freya

                                        I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                                        http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                                        Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                                        Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                                        Freya
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                                        ok thank you 😀 (i saw it written on the picture kindly posted by frater INRI). Has the Qlipoth tree a specific name?

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                                        • F Freya

                                          I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                                          http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                                          Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                                          Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                                          Fr Seraphis
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                                          @Freya said

                                          "ok thank you 😀 (i saw it written on the picture kindly posted by frater INRI). Has the Qlipoth tree a specific name?"

                                          Yeah, they (Order on the link above) have somewhat different system of thought from ours. They seem to call it 'the tree of knowledge'. Its all in the book on the link provided.

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