LBRP Divine Name Sequence
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Okay, check this out.
The names represent paths.
You start in Yesod (air), you travel along Tzaddi saying its divine name YHVH. You are now in Netzach (fire). You travel along Pe saying it's divine name Adonai. Now you're in Hod (water). You travel along Shin saying its Spirit divine name, Eheyeh. Now you are in Malkuth (earth). You say AGLA which is either the other spirit name of Shin, or similar to the path Tau which would bring you back to Yesod.
See? Air, fire, water, earth, back to air.
What do you think?
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I shouldn't be giving clues at all, but I'm incorrigible in some things. Let me say that one problem is that you are thinking of this in terms of 19th Century (and later) Qabbalah, not in terms of pre-Zohar Kabbalah. That is leading down many, er, paths.
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Okay, but my little thing was cool, no? Haha.
I thought I was probably thinking too late in history with that concoction...
Still, if it can be deduced from 776 1/2...
I feel like my best shot is using 777 1/2, assuming that it IS possible from just that. It seems there are tons of Pre-Zohar sources. Wiki says hundreds, if you count the smaller things considered Heichalot.
I'm also not sure if I'd even know it when I read it. Ugh.
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It really isn't proper to turn this into a discussion. You were originally making a statement, but now you're developing your thoughts in public. Even if you don't get the answer, that could disclose it to someone else along the way. You should think about wrapping this thread up and moving on unless part of your original question hasn't been answered.
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I understand, but I guess I feel there's no way for me to know if I get it unless I post it... I guess I'll wait until I think I have the whole thing, and then post it? I don't see any other way for me to know if I figured it out.
Seems silly to me though. I understand you can't say anything, but if I say something that helps someone else figure it out, so what? I didn't think this was a big secret of the AA or something, just something you personally promised not to tell people. I guess it's your forum though, so if you want the whole issue censored, that's your call. I won't post more of my musings unless I think I have it (unless you're even against that; let me know).
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@Luce said
"Seems silly to me though. I understand you can't say anything, but if I say something that helps someone else figure it out, so what?"
Let me explain, then. My honor/word is tied to a pledge not to disclose it except under explicit conditions. It doesn't matter if I disclose it myself. If I provide the public context in which it's disclosed, that's the same thing - I'm complicit in the act. (It's like letting someone sell drugs out of your car. It doesn't matter if you were ever near the drugs, they're gonna seize your car! <g>)
"I didn't think this was a big secret of the AA or something, just something you personally promised not to tell people. I guess it's your forum though, so if you want the whole issue censored, that's your call."
Yes, thank you for understanding.
It has nothing to do with A.'.A.'. The A.'.A.'. canon of literature and oral tradition does not have this information. Temple of Thelema, in addition to drawing on A.'.A.'. roots of its founders, also has other contributing threads, including some at least a millennium older than anything the world has known as A.'.A.'.. This particular Qabbalistic knowledge descends through that older tradition. It was partially handed down and partially recovered and completed by the Chiefs of a particular Order, and they feel proprietary about it. I received it under sworn obligation. It doesn't matter whether I think it should be openly known or not (I think that would be kinda cool, actually), the price for my being permitted to communicate it at all was an agreement to limit where it is communicated to the Second Order of Temple of Thelema.
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I understand. I guess I just echo Gnosomai's thoughts. What am I supposed to do? TOT is a thousand or so miles away from me. I've poured 10 or so solid hours into determining the reason behind the sequence and I ain't stopping. But if I can't discuss it here, I'm hooped. I know that's not your problem though. But you, being the person who knows it, are naturally the target of my findings. I can't just move on and just do the ritual anyway. I must know.
I will stop discussing it... But if I do feel I have it, I will return to this thread with my conclusion (unless that would anger you) as you're the sole person I know who can confirm if I have it or not.
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I advise that U reassess your decision that U can't just do the ritual without this information. U suggest that this is too much involvement of the intellect.
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Go for it!
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Hey, this is unrelated, but I didn't want to muck up the forum with a new topic for a smallish question. I hope this is the right decision, but let me know if you'd prefer i make a new topic in future cases. Anyway, I was wondering if you were willing to help me with this.
I read the sepher yetzirah and I noticed that the double letter planet attributions are different from the ones we all use. Whereas the single letter zodiac attributions are exactly what we use. Why don't we use the planet associations from the sepher yetzirah, e.g., gimel = Mars, dalet = Sun. I can't imagine why we'd use the single letter zodiac attributions but change the planetary double letter associations.
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Of more than half a dozen editions of the SY, they all give a different attribution list. The one we use is received oral tradition.
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Blinds.
There's apparently quite a bit of disfigured information intended to keep what is considered holy from those considered dogs.
My problem is that once I figure something out, I don't know if it's bad to talk about or not. I don't know what's obligated or if my discovering it means it's just time to talk about it.
I tripped on the Cube of Space, know I'm right, seems the simplest thing in the world now, but not even Townley covered in his two "expert" books. And I'm like, depth psychology could probably really benefit from this, but... I don't know. Whatever. Seems like anyone who looked at it long enough would figure it out. I know I can't be the first.
But whatever. Maybe I'm just too good-natured to figure out how it could be misused.
Got tired of feeling everyone's internal conflict about it.
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@Hermitas said
"Every time I try, I get so bound up about it that I can't sleep. So, no."
Candidly: That's a serious problem. You have to get over it. You can't let something stop you like that, especially when it's your own mind.
What difference would it make, anyway? Unless you're going to visualize different things or think different thoughts during the ritual, hoe would this knowledge alter one bit what you do it the ritual?
I've known the formula for nearly 30 years and it has almost never even crossed my mind when doing the ritual (or almost any other time, unless questions like this arise).