LBRP Divine Name Sequence
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@Luce said
"Seems silly to me though. I understand you can't say anything, but if I say something that helps someone else figure it out, so what?"
Let me explain, then. My honor/word is tied to a pledge not to disclose it except under explicit conditions. It doesn't matter if I disclose it myself. If I provide the public context in which it's disclosed, that's the same thing - I'm complicit in the act. (It's like letting someone sell drugs out of your car. It doesn't matter if you were ever near the drugs, they're gonna seize your car! <g>)
"I didn't think this was a big secret of the AA or something, just something you personally promised not to tell people. I guess it's your forum though, so if you want the whole issue censored, that's your call."
Yes, thank you for understanding.
It has nothing to do with A.'.A.'. The A.'.A.'. canon of literature and oral tradition does not have this information. Temple of Thelema, in addition to drawing on A.'.A.'. roots of its founders, also has other contributing threads, including some at least a millennium older than anything the world has known as A.'.A.'.. This particular Qabbalistic knowledge descends through that older tradition. It was partially handed down and partially recovered and completed by the Chiefs of a particular Order, and they feel proprietary about it. I received it under sworn obligation. It doesn't matter whether I think it should be openly known or not (I think that would be kinda cool, actually), the price for my being permitted to communicate it at all was an agreement to limit where it is communicated to the Second Order of Temple of Thelema.
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I understand. I guess I just echo Gnosomai's thoughts. What am I supposed to do? TOT is a thousand or so miles away from me. I've poured 10 or so solid hours into determining the reason behind the sequence and I ain't stopping. But if I can't discuss it here, I'm hooped. I know that's not your problem though. But you, being the person who knows it, are naturally the target of my findings. I can't just move on and just do the ritual anyway. I must know.
I will stop discussing it... But if I do feel I have it, I will return to this thread with my conclusion (unless that would anger you) as you're the sole person I know who can confirm if I have it or not.
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I advise that U reassess your decision that U can't just do the ritual without this information. U suggest that this is too much involvement of the intellect.
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Go for it!
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Hey, this is unrelated, but I didn't want to muck up the forum with a new topic for a smallish question. I hope this is the right decision, but let me know if you'd prefer i make a new topic in future cases. Anyway, I was wondering if you were willing to help me with this.
I read the sepher yetzirah and I noticed that the double letter planet attributions are different from the ones we all use. Whereas the single letter zodiac attributions are exactly what we use. Why don't we use the planet associations from the sepher yetzirah, e.g., gimel = Mars, dalet = Sun. I can't imagine why we'd use the single letter zodiac attributions but change the planetary double letter associations.
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Of more than half a dozen editions of the SY, they all give a different attribution list. The one we use is received oral tradition.
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Blinds.
There's apparently quite a bit of disfigured information intended to keep what is considered holy from those considered dogs.
My problem is that once I figure something out, I don't know if it's bad to talk about or not. I don't know what's obligated or if my discovering it means it's just time to talk about it.
I tripped on the Cube of Space, know I'm right, seems the simplest thing in the world now, but not even Townley covered in his two "expert" books. And I'm like, depth psychology could probably really benefit from this, but... I don't know. Whatever. Seems like anyone who looked at it long enough would figure it out. I know I can't be the first.
But whatever. Maybe I'm just too good-natured to figure out how it could be misused.
Got tired of feeling everyone's internal conflict about it.
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@Hermitas said
"Every time I try, I get so bound up about it that I can't sleep. So, no."
Candidly: That's a serious problem. You have to get over it. You can't let something stop you like that, especially when it's your own mind.
What difference would it make, anyway? Unless you're going to visualize different things or think different thoughts during the ritual, hoe would this knowledge alter one bit what you do it the ritual?
I've known the formula for nearly 30 years and it has almost never even crossed my mind when doing the ritual (or almost any other time, unless questions like this arise).
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I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying you have a separate (unrelated to what Jim and I were discussing) revelation that pertains to the cube of space, but you can't share your revelation because if you do, you get obsessed or haunted by it and can't sleep?
No judgment: just wondering if I'm interpreting your message correctly.
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Yes. Sort of - it depends on whether or not one assumes that the LRP's directions are unassociated with the directions on the Cube of Space. I'm not completely certain of their connection yet (though I have flirted with the idea and so far like it - kind of related, but in a "once removed" kind of way), so I'll just say yes. Different.
Full disclosure: I believe myself to be oversensitive to what I describe as "psychic blowback" or "feedback" - intense reactionary emotions I believe I pick up on. It triggers manic rage, for which I am on medication, and I'm honestly afraid for my health. Hence my embrace of hermity-ness.
So, I remain torn about it. Because I'd like to leave some kind of legacy from all this study. I don't really have anything to show for it. But I'm honestly not sure I can handle it.
Mostly, I was telling a story of being able to relate to frustration with not knowing what to do with thinking you've discovered a blind and not being able to confirm it.
That, and I'm starting to think a lot of people know it anyway... I probably just need to find a fraternity..
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@Hermitas said
"Yes. Sort of - it depends on whether or not one assumes that the LRP's directions are unassociated with the directions on the Cube of Space. I'm not completely certain of their connection yet (though I have flirted with the idea and so far like it), so I'll just say yes. Different."
I'm unaware of anything associating the Divine Names to the quarters of the Cube of Space (and, obviously, the elements of the archangels are not thus attributed.
From the other things you've said, you might want to observe that any ritual that has you charging east, south, west, and north in sequence with Cube of Space attributions stimulates four chakras in sequence, from throat downward. With the sensitivity you mentioned, if you are layering in these other attributions, it is very likely you would be reacting to this phenomenon.