LBRP Evocation and communication with the angels
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@Jim Eshelman said
"But the intention is very different when you are trying to invoke or banish energies specifically of the Element Earth vs. when you are doing a generic (non-specific) invoking or banishing. One of the ways to queue this to the psyche is to be sure not to use Earth colors, but to use the generic "astral witchfire" pale electric blue. You also need to understand the difference, to have the right intention in your mind.
I remember a student years ago who started working with the Pentagram ritual and, over the next six months, had all the practical affairs of his life disintegrate. He lost the ability to actually handle practical affairs. One day he said, "Hey, I just realized I've been banishing Earth for the last six months. No wonder!" I was taken quite off guard and told him, "Oh no, you aren't actually banishing Earth, are you? Your just doing the general Lesser Banishing Ritual that uses the Earth-shaped pentagram, but not with the idea of banishing Earth per se, right?" Turns out that, no, he quite specifically thougjht he was banishing Earth, and he got a real lesson from it."
While I personally know the difference, I just wanted to note how you're such an eloquent writer. I trip over myself trying to describe things.
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@HPK said
"Which part of Eastern Europe?"
From your post, I'm sure you understand why I'm not giving details right now. It's too soon, and I had suspected some of the problems you mentioned.
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@kuniggety said
"While I personally know the difference, I just wanted to note how you're such an eloquent writer. I trip over myself trying to describe things."
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Hi,
not to distract the thread from present course, but, Jim, do you know anywhere else I would be able to find those 7steps you were talking about?I do not fit into the entrance requirements for B.O.T.A.
Thank you,
Kenneth -
@Techpries said
"not to distract the thread from present course, but, Jim, do you know anywhere else I would be able to find those 7steps you were talking about?
I do not fit into the entrance requirements for B.O.T.A."
Though there are illegal copies floating around that can be found, I can't ethically recommend those and haven't kept track of where they might be.
What entrance requirements don't you meet (if I might ask)? I can only think of age as one - since you're on the forum, you've indicated you're at 13 - are you perhaps under 18?
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I am 19, on their website they list their age requirement as 21.
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@Techpries said
"I am 19, on their website they list their age requirement as 21."
They're not going to ask for your birth certificate. If I were you, I'd simply send them a check and await delivery
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"I remember a student years ago who started working with the Pentagram ritual and, over the next six months, had all the practical affairs of his life disintegrate. He lost the ability to actually handle practical affairs. One day he said, "Hey, I just realized I've been banishing Earth for the last six months. No wonder!" I was taken quite off guard and told him, "Oh no, you aren't actually banishing Earth, are you? Your just doing the general Lesser Banishing Ritual that uses the Earth-shaped pentagram, but not with the idea of banishing Earth per se, right?" Turns out that, no, he quite specifically thougjht he was banishing Earth, and he got a real lesson from it."
I've been doing the LBRP for about almost 2 months now, and a few weeks ago, I said the same thing, THATS why I change my pentagram ritual, to banish each element according to the direction and the archangel.
If i visualize my archangels before i do the LBRP, there might be more result.
I need some personal instruction, I wish I could meet some fellow thelemites that would take the time to show me, sometimes my oasis in oto doesnt want to show me things, out in california and oregon they are willing to show me all I want to know. over east, where I live, they act like some .. well you know.what do you guys think about these comments
the standard LBRP is not banishing earth, it's a general banishing.neat..
Kingsolomon -
Jim, your posts here have been pure gold for me. Pun intended.
Another question along these lines for you, and anyone else, if you don't mind:
I've been practicing the Zelator Meditation of the Golden Dawn for about four months now. I'm noticing more and more often the visualization 'seeds' leading me down unexpected pathways. However, I seem to strafe a fine line between conscious visualization/meditation and subconscious sleep. Dipping in and out of the waters, so to speak. Is there a way to prevent this or is this the effect I should be looking for? If it is, is there a way for me to better remain conscious, and thus remember what I see when I exit the meditation?
Any help, advice you have along these lines would be great. As expressed recently in another thread, I too am having difficulty finding a satisfactory initiatory body near me. I've been diligent in my spiritual disciplines for years now, and the words of advice on the LBRP given earlier unlocked a doorway I've been patiently waiting on for years. I'm hoping for more fruit, difficult as it is to transmit through the written word.
Many, many, many thanks.
Humbly,
Jeff
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
@Jim Eshelman said
"A couple of other problems: By using IAO instead of Amen, you throw off an important gematria correspondence, though (for you) that maty be outweighed by other considerations. Also, and of considerable importance, you appear to still be using the blind AGLA instead of the full sentence Attah Gibbor le-Olam Adonai."
Just currious, because this is not God's name, should we vibrate this or to pronounce this full sentence on some other way? Thanx in advance.
"You can't evoke an archangel unless you are operating at the Atziluthic (divine) level. That is, we evoke what is at a lower vibratory rate. It's fine to see them 10 feet tall if there's enough space in the room - in cathedrals and other great halls, I've seen them this size often. It's not that hard to have a conversation with them after considerable exposure - perhaps six months to a year of regular performance of the ritual on average, I'd estimate. Whether others see them, though, is entirely up to you."
Hm, aren't Archangels Briatic forms? Why then one who would be operating on Briatic levec couldn't evoke Archangels? I am sorry if this is stupid question, but I am really confused now. Also. I found on several places information about connection of Archangels with all 4 worlds. For example, that Uriel, for example, is Archangel of Assiah. That confuse me. That it means that Uriel is Archangel of Assiah of Briah?
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@HPK said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"A couple of other problems: By using IAO instead of Amen, you throw off an important gematria correspondence, though (for you) that maty be outweighed by other considerations. Also, and of considerable importance, you appear to still be using the blind AGLA instead of the full sentence Attah Gibbor le-Olam Adonai."Just currious, because this is not God's name, should we vibrate this or to pronounce this full sentence on some other way? Thanx in advance. "
Vibrate, yes.
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"You can't evoke an archangel unless you are operating at the Atziluthic (divine) level. That is, we evoke what is at a lower vibratory rate. It's fine to see them 10 feet tall if there's enough space in the room - in cathedrals and other great halls, I've seen them this size often. It's not that hard to have a conversation with them after considerable exposure - perhaps six months to a year of regular performance of the ritual on average, I'd estimate. Whether others see them, though, is entirely up to you."Hm, aren't Archangels Briatic forms? Why then one who would be operating on Briatic levec couldn't evoke Archangels?"
You e-voke something that is a subset of yourself. That is, it must be a component of a set of which you are a transcendant integration. (I've never put it that way before, but it's true.) To "call out" of yourself something Briatic, you have to be at a level superior to Briah.
"Also. I found on several places information about connection of Archangels with all 4 worlds. For example, that Uriel, for example, is Archangel of Assiah. That confuse me. That it means that Uriel is Archangel of Assiah of Briah?"
I suppose a given author is saying that anything relevant to Earth is correspondent to Assiah, etc. I think this is misleading at best.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"But the intention is very different when you are trying to invoke or banish energies specifically of the Element Earth vs. when you are doing a generic (non-specific) invoking or banishing."
Ok, so what exactly is being banished/invoked by the the use of the generic earth-like pentagram?
As I understand it the element Earth is not a real element per se, but an aggregate of Fire, Water, and Air. So if the generic earth-like pentagram doesn't cover this, what's left to banish or invoke with it?
My guess would be that the generic banishing pentagram disperses negative influences, and the generic invoking pentagram attracts positive influences. Correct?
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The general banishing banishes ALL, instead of specifically one element. In this respect, you're doing one banishing instead of four different ones for each element.
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@Her said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"But the intention is very different when you are trying to invoke or banish energies specifically of the Element Earth vs. when you are doing a generic (non-specific) invoking or banishing."Ok, so what exactly is being banished/invoked by the the use of the generic earth-like pentagram?"
The purpose of the so-called "banishing" Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram is so to fortify your aura and psyche that intrusive elements naturally fall away from it. The "invoking" ritual further calls into play a higher frequency of undifferentiated L.V.X. - one might call it "pure spiritual force."
"As I understand it the element Earth is not a real element per se, but an aggregate of Fire, Water, and Air. So if the generic earth-like pentagram doesn't cover this, what's left to banish or invoke with it? "
I think it is better to say that there is one Qabalistic theory which represents that Earth is not an actual Element but a consequence of the interplay of Fire, Water, and Air. But that's only one theory (useful as it is). A quite different (and equally useful) theory is that Earth is an Element every bit as much as the other three. (BTW, I make no choice between these two theories - I used them both side-by-side. They seem both true at once.)
There is quite definitely a Pentagram ritual for invoking and banhsing Earth that is distinct from the general ritual. It is used when one is doing a ritual specifically themed to Earth - such as consecrating an Earth talisman, or setting out to acquire a vision consonant with an Earth idea. The pentagrams are drawn the same, and the entire ritual looks identical to an outside observer, but the colors employed are different and the intention is different.
Here is perhaps one way of integrating the two competing theories about whether or not Earth exists as a separate Element: If Fire, Water, and Air are A, B, and C, and if you understand Earth as something akin to A + B + C, then the Earth Ritual invokes and banishes the idea called A + B+ C but the generic ritual invokes and banishes the quantity 0 (zero).
"My guess would be that the generic banishing pentagram disperses negative influences, and the generic invoking pentagram attracts positive influences. Correct?"
I wouldn't argue with that much - except "negative" and "positive" are vague. For example, don't do the invoking before you go out the door and step on a crowded bus! It can so sensitize you and leave you wide open to nonmaterial influences that your aura will be bombarded - what most people would call a negative experience.