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@Froclown said
"Surely you realize that by nature and nature women, that she want nothing more that to find a virile man, so she can sap and impurify his precious bodily fluids (libido, Ogorne. vril, kundalini, whatever) and use them for her personal ends. That is her obsession with filling her black hole of a cunt with a child, and which is the closest she can come to encapsulating the mans energy and purpose for herself.
"How did it come to this? It was an interesting topic and all of the sudden changed to women-bashing? I liked the initial posting in principle, but I don't think that depicting women as nothing less than demonic vampires is called for. I think, however that in the interest of balance, you may call men something like idiotic chauvinistic pigs that are only interested in power and that use and abuse women for their own individualistic ends including sex and/or status.
Seriously, if you don't see how offensive your assertion was, at least see this as an entirely Osirian way of thinking. In the new Aeon, the sexes enjoy the same level of acceptance and they are both integrated in the human psyche. When the feminine aspect of our psyche has not being integrated, it comes out as a demon. The same goes for the masculine aspect. Society has been battling with the feminine for the entire Osirian period in which the masculine aspect dominated, but there has been a shift. Even Crowley wasn't immune to this. He had to overcome this as well. He was, however very progressive for his time.
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Yes I agree that my characterization was of the Osiris aeon woman.
My point was that women are by nature susceptible to this way of being, and by nurture are encouraged to be this way.
Just look at what we hold up as role models for young girls, princesses. A princess who is practically worshiped just for being who she is, not because she earned admiration. I mean that alone is a recipe for narcissism.
With this as her ideal we send other messages, if your not born a Princess you can become an artificial princess by just being attractive. Seek to marry a rich man, or be famous as an actress. Not a good actor, do porn just look pretty and have sex. Or just be a worthless slut like Paris Hilton. If all that fails just pump out babies, they will love you and feed your narcissism so long as you are knocked up who will know you have no aspirations or practical skills. Just leech off you husband, why should you ever want to walk on the moon, or break the sound barrier, cure diseases or even balance a check book. Hell you might break a nail and go into a fuss out panic because your single asset has been devalued slightly.
And secondly women are taught everything is shameful. Anything that remotely resembles achievement for the human race is shameful. There are very few Women in the transhumanist movement. They don't to be faster, stronger, better. all they want is to leech on, make a "home" and prove she is more normal that other women, her family is better, etc.
Well to hell with family structure, to hell with normal, to hell with the stupid role women have been breed and trained to fulfill, that role is dead.
In the new Aeon we are to free ourselves of all of this. We are not to be normal with a house and kids, and mortgage, taxes, 9 to 5, and all that shit.
We are to be kings of the earth, unbound by social law, and ultimately our minds unfettered by physical manifestation, as we transcend into pure semantic networks hosted on bio-computer networks.
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@Froclown said
"Yes I agree that my characterization was of the Osiris aeon woman.
My point was that women are by nature susceptible to this way of being, and by nurture are encouraged to be this way.
"And my point is that you seem to be blind to the fact that you don't see that your characterization is that of an "Osiris Aeon man".
What progress can we achieve if we still harbor the thought that "women are by nature susceptible to this way of being"?
BTW, check out Jung's work on the Anima and the Animus, and the process of Individuation. With the Aeon of Horus and the Crowned and Conquering Child, the energy is more and more Androgynous than anything.
Let's not go back to that same women are mindless bimbos or demonic vampires... OK?
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"BTW, check out Jung's work on the Anima and the Animus, and the process of Individuation. "
The Anima is his shadow. It becomes the witch when it is not acknowledged.
You demonize what you reject.
Very astute. Hadn't occured to me.
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Everything that people actually tend to become is because they have a weakness that lends them to that way of being.
I say we should not allow out genetic nature nor our environmental conditioning to hold us back.
The whole human condition and culture is what I an against. The very idea that being human is admirable.
Mere human existence is less than worthless. We should seek to destroy everything it is to be human, the same way that an acorn destroys itself to become an oak tree, or a caterpillar to become a butterfly.
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@Froclown said
"Everything that people actually tend to become is because they have a weakness that lends them to that way of being.
I say we should not allow out genetic nature nor our environmental conditioning to hold us back.
The whole human condition and culture is what I an against. The very idea that being human is admirable.
Mere human existence is less than worthless. We should seek to destroy everything it is to be human, the same way that an acorn destroys itself to become an oak tree, or a caterpillar to become a butterfly."
Its not the "purpose" or "point" of the acorn to be a tree. Its the purpose of the acorn to be an acorn. Its the purpose of the tree to be a tree.
Crowley wrote: "We are not to regard ourselves as base beings, without whose sphere is Light or "God". Our minds and bodies are veils of the Light within. The uninitiate is a "Dark Star", and the Great Work for him is to make his veils transparent by 'purifying' them. This 'purification' is really 'simplification'; it is not that the veil is dirty, but that the complexity of its folds makes it opaque. The Great Work therefore consists principally in the solution of complexes. Everything in itself is perfect, but when things are muddled, they become 'evil'."
And "Everything that lives is holy" (William Blake). You seem ot have quite the superiority (or actually, rather, inferiority) complex.
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Everything we see and touch is a lie, a prison that keeps out true nature locked up in suits of flesh with limits and restrictions.
The true spirit within can escape into total liberation.
but only via huge advances in social, ethical, psychological, political, and technological fields.
The internet can become the collective unconscious manifest in reality. All physical needs and boundaries removed and that pure inner spiritual light liberated to return to its rightful place in the penumbra.
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A lie? That is a bit harsh sounding to me. It is certainly an illusion, but the truthfulness of what you see is based on your own perceptions.
Personally, I see the flesh as more a playpen than a prison.
So you can rail against your Master all you want, when you get tired we can play a game
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Well perhaps you do nat realize how far we have been cast down.
and I spoke ill of a return to the penumbra, more like we shall create a new penumbra for ourselves and our "master" is not allowed.
I should not want to return to a place I am unwelcome, but We shall make a place where the father is not welcome.
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@Froclown said
"The true spirit within can escape into total liberation.
but only via huge advances in social, ethical, psychological, political, and technological fields."
Wrong.
Wrongwrongwrongwrong.
The 'escape', if you insist on this grim Christian Gnostic view of the world as a prison, is achieved by the individual, not by collective humanity. In saying that society needs to be reformed in order for the individual to be liberated, you are making the same mistake as the great institutional religions. One does not become liberated because of these institutions but in spite of them.
Take care of your own liberation. Your example will encourage others to do the same.
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@Chris Hanlon said
""BTW, check out Jung's work on the Anima and the Animus, and the process of Individuation. "
The Anima is his shadow. It becomes the witch when it is not acknowledged.
"Not that this has anything to do with the other important topics going on in this thread (cough cough), but I think that Jung had two different concepts in mind for the "shadow" and "anima/animus" archetypes. (Though note that everything below is from memory...)
Think of everything that you think you are. That's what Jung alternately called the "persona" or the "ego." The shadow is everything you think you're not. Put them all together, and you've got the whole Self.
If you are male, then a significant subset of "what you're not" is going to consist of female attributes. This "package" is the anima, which isn't necessarily as antagonistic and challenging as the totality of "not-me" (i.e., the shadow) can be.
I've always thought that Billy Joel's old song "The Stranger" was a good description of confronting the shadow archetype.
On the whole, there seems to be a lot of "hidden individuation" in Thelema, the A.'.A.'., etc. It seems to be clearly a part of the journey, but it would benefit to be talked about in those terms more often, I think. Aum418, I'm looking forward to printing and reading your psychological treatise in detail.... more time next week to do this, I hope...
Steve
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If you prefer a non-Christian Gnostic explanation, ok.
We humans do nat have a niche we are not part of the natural world. It neglected and rejected us, but instead of die off, we invented technology to cope, to transform our environment and even ourselves. We recreated nature in our own image, Prometheus stole the fire af the Gods if you Will.
anyway, ultimately we can either die off by destroying nature until our life line to it is severed beyond repair.
OR we can become something unnatural, We can become fully technological, ween ourselves off nature, off the entire biological foundation. Then create a new world, a world built of technology rather than nature, A world in the image of MAN, rather than the image of the creator or nature.
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@froclown said
"We humans do nat have a niche we are not part of the natural world. It neglected and rejected us,"
I have to disagree with that.
It is the human race which has rejected the natural world, with our over population and stripping of natural resources.Rather than living in harmony and showing respect with what has allowed us to keep evolving we rape and mistreat her.
@froclown said
"We can become fully technological,"
Where do you plan on getting the resources to build this technology?
Why, from the nature that has rejected us, yet continually provides us with what we need to survive!
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Yes it seems we have to use silicon and electricity etc. however nature is not the raw matter, it is a system that organizes that matter.
The point is to live fully in a semantic mental world, a world where we interact fully with cyberspace and have no need to deal with the physical matter, but rather with information.
Ultimately we learn to do mare and mare with less and less, until eventually perhaps we can do all with nothing. Or as close to this as in possible.
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93,
"The point is to live fully in a semantic mental world, a world where we interact fully with cyberspace and have no need to deal with the physical matter, but rather with information.
Ultimately we learn to do mare and mare with less and less, until eventually perhaps we can do all with nothing. Or as close to this as in possible."
"Come unto me" is a foolish word; for it is I that go. (Liber L, II, v7). That is, the natu of Nuit, the universe, is that is totally fileld with dynamically interactive Hadits. To strive to do away with that is en effort that's bound to fail.
This thread seems to be about the awfulness of life and living. But Thelema recognizes all this interaction, all this change, by one word: Love. The opposite of Love, as Freud noted, is Death: that is, stasis, paralysis and utter isolation. Maybe some of you think "Yippee - come me in, or rather, out!" But this isn't a Thelemic position.
"Beauty and strength, leaping laughter and delicious languor, force and fire, are of us." (Liber L II, v 20).93 93/93,
Edward
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@Froclown said
"The point is to live fully in a semantic mental world, a world where we interact fully with cyberspace and have no need to deal with the physical matter, but rather with information."
The Age of Aquarius begins in 2376 A.D. It doesn't seem that what you describe is likely to start until sometime into the 2,160 years following that.
"Ultimately we learn to do mare and mare with less and less, until eventually perhaps we can do all with nothing. Or as close to this as in possible."
That's seems excruciatingly boring.
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Creating entire worlds to inhabit, linking our minds collectively, the ability to build all manor of bio-mechanical bodies and download our consciousness into them.
Nano-bots that can reshape anything according to our WILL.
Existing as a transient consciousness that is not tied down to this or that specific chunk of matter, in this short duration of space time. Being Immune to pain, disease, aging and death.
What is boring about this?
It sounds like the very definition of a secret chief.
Is not the highest goal and reason to study Magick at all the hope of ascending human form, to cross the abyss, and become a Secret chief who dwells in the city of pyramids eternally beyond the limits of physical manifestation, yet can WILL to manifest himself physically in any form he WILL to accomplish collective aims of the brotherhood?
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@Froclown said
"Creating entire worlds to inhabit, linking our minds collectively, the ability to build all manor of bio-mechanical bodies and download our consciousness into them.
Nano-bots that can reshape anything according to our WILL.
Existing as a transient consciousness that is not tied down to this or that specific chunk of matter, in this short duration of space time. Being Immune to pain, disease, aging and death.
What is boring about this?
It sounds like the very definition of a secret chief.
Is not the highest goal and reason to study Magick at all the hope of ascending human form, to cross the abyss, and become a Secret chief who dwells in the city of pyramids eternally beyond the limits of physical manifestation, yet can WILL to manifest himself physically in any form he WILL to accomplish collective aims of the brotherhood?"
How old are you, anyway? You sound about 14.
Dan