new aeon
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It has always seemed to me that in the new Aeon we should be deconstructing society at its roots and re-engineering something totally different.
What I mean is that the whole social foundation of marriage and family have to be broken down before a new social order that is rooted in the individual can come into power.
The whole social-political-cultural-religious-economic system must be taken out. This system is based on the old Aeon formula that Individuals exist to serve a hight purpose or a higher power, that the ultimate virtue is to submit ones own natural desires to a more deserving power.
In marriage for example each partner is meant to replace ones own WILL with the WILL of the other, or to submit oneself to the greater good of the family unit.
Likewise it is considered virtuous to submit ones family to the "good Christian values" that make for a good community. To be a good neighbor means to give part of yourself to the community, that is to allow the community to dictate your acts rather than your own WILL.
Also one simply must be a Patriot to ones own country, I mean Right or Wrong my opinion is whatever I an told by the president. Thus not my Will but the Presidents WILL be done through me.
So I am supposed to be an empty vessel 90% of my waking life, that is used as a tool to achieve the WILL of my spouse, my family, my community, my boss, the government. the Christian moral agenda, the economic agenda of corporations, and the expectations of my peers.
At what point them am I to Do as I WILT, let alone have time to discover my TRUE WILL, when all of society aims at providing me with multiple external Wills that insist I must live a normal, boring, life full of nothing that is authentic to myself, where I am just a Golem animated by external forces to become a good little middle class American.
What If I renounce it all.
and number one I renounce marriage! I WILL not live in your white house, with your picket fence, your 2 cars, and 2.7 children, I will not wear your checkered suits, watch your sitcoms, read your papers.
Thelema to me means to become something else, it means a new dream to replace the so called american dream, a new dream for humanity, A dream so new and so different that we cant even dream it yet. ALL we know is that it is out there a NEW WAY, a better WAY, and the old WAY is in our WAY!
Yes I agree that my characterization was of the Osiris aeon woman.
My point was that women are by nature susceptible to this way of being, and by nurture are encouraged to be this way.
Just look at what we hold up as role models for young girls, princesses. A princess who is practically worshiped just for being who she is, not because she earned admiration. I mean that alone is a recipe for narcissism.
With this as her ideal we send other messages, if your not born a Princess you can become an artificial princess by just being attractive. Seek to marry a rich man, or be famous as an actress. Not a good actor, do porn just look pretty and have sex. Or just be a worthless slut like Paris Hilton. If all that fails just pump out babies, they will love you and feed your narcissism so long as you are knocked up who will know you have no aspirations or practical skills. Just leech off you husband, why should you ever want to walk on the moon, or break the sound barrier, cure diseases or even balance a check book. Hell you might break a nail and go into a fuss out panic because your single asset has been devalued slightly.
And secondly women are taught everything is shameful. Anything that remotely resembles achievement for the human race is shameful. There are very few Women in the transhumanist movement. They don't to be faster, stronger, better. all they want is to leech on, make a "home" and prove she is more normal that other women, her family is better, etc.
Well to hell with family structure, to hell with normal, to hell with the stupid role women have been breed and trained to fulfill, that role is dead.
In the new Aeon we are to free ourselves of all of this. We are not to be normal with a house and kids, and mortgage, taxes, 9 to 5, and all that shit.
We are to be kings of the earth, unbound by social law, and ultimately our minds unfettered by physical manifestation, as we transcend into pure semantic networks hosted on bio-computer networks.
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It has always seemed to me that in the new Aeon we should be deconstructing society at its roots and re-engineering something totally different.
What I mean is that the whole social foundation of marriage and family have to be broken down before a new social order that is rooted in the individual can come into power.
The whole social-political-cultural-religious-economic system must be taken out. This system is based on the old Aeon formula that Individuals exist to serve a hight purpose or a higher power, that the ultimate virtue is to submit ones own natural desires to a more deserving power.
In marriage for example each partner is meant to replace ones own WILL with the WILL of the other, or to submit oneself to the greater good of the family unit.
Likewise it is considered virtuous to submit ones family to the "good Christian values" that make for a good community. To be a good neighbor means to give part of yourself to the community, that is to allow the community to dictate your acts rather than your own WILL.
Also one simply must be a Patriot to ones own country, I mean Right or Wrong my opinion is whatever I an told by the president. Thus not my Will but the Presidents WILL be done through me.
So I am supposed to be an empty vessel 90% of my waking life, that is used as a tool to achieve the WILL of my spouse, my family, my community, my boss, the government. the Christian moral agenda, the economic agenda of corporations, and the expectations of my peers.
At what point them am I to Do as I WILT, let alone have time to discover my TRUE WILL, when all of society aims at providing me with multiple external Wills that insist I must live a normal, boring, life full of nothing that is authentic to myself, where I am just a Golem animated by external forces to become a good little middle class American.
What If I renounce it all.
and number one I renounce marriage! I WILL not live in your white house, with your picket fence, your 2 cars, and 2.7 children, I will not wear your checkered suits, watch your sitcoms, read your papers.
Thelema to me means to become something else, it means a new dream to replace the so called american dream, a new dream for humanity, A dream so new and so different that we cant even dream it yet. ALL we know is that it is out there a NEW WAY, a better WAY, and the old WAY is in our WAY!
@Froclown said
"Yes I agree that my characterization was of the Osiris aeon woman.
My point was that women are by nature susceptible to this way of being, and by nurture are encouraged to be this way.
"And my point is that you seem to be blind to the fact that you don't see that your characterization is that of an "Osiris Aeon man".
What progress can we achieve if we still harbor the thought that "women are by nature susceptible to this way of being"?
BTW, check out Jung's work on the Anima and the Animus, and the process of Individuation. With the Aeon of Horus and the Crowned and Conquering Child, the energy is more and more Androgynous than anything.
Let's not go back to that same women are mindless bimbos or demonic vampires... OK?
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It has always seemed to me that in the new Aeon we should be deconstructing society at its roots and re-engineering something totally different.
What I mean is that the whole social foundation of marriage and family have to be broken down before a new social order that is rooted in the individual can come into power.
The whole social-political-cultural-religious-economic system must be taken out. This system is based on the old Aeon formula that Individuals exist to serve a hight purpose or a higher power, that the ultimate virtue is to submit ones own natural desires to a more deserving power.
In marriage for example each partner is meant to replace ones own WILL with the WILL of the other, or to submit oneself to the greater good of the family unit.
Likewise it is considered virtuous to submit ones family to the "good Christian values" that make for a good community. To be a good neighbor means to give part of yourself to the community, that is to allow the community to dictate your acts rather than your own WILL.
Also one simply must be a Patriot to ones own country, I mean Right or Wrong my opinion is whatever I an told by the president. Thus not my Will but the Presidents WILL be done through me.
So I am supposed to be an empty vessel 90% of my waking life, that is used as a tool to achieve the WILL of my spouse, my family, my community, my boss, the government. the Christian moral agenda, the economic agenda of corporations, and the expectations of my peers.
At what point them am I to Do as I WILT, let alone have time to discover my TRUE WILL, when all of society aims at providing me with multiple external Wills that insist I must live a normal, boring, life full of nothing that is authentic to myself, where I am just a Golem animated by external forces to become a good little middle class American.
What If I renounce it all.
and number one I renounce marriage! I WILL not live in your white house, with your picket fence, your 2 cars, and 2.7 children, I will not wear your checkered suits, watch your sitcoms, read your papers.
Thelema to me means to become something else, it means a new dream to replace the so called american dream, a new dream for humanity, A dream so new and so different that we cant even dream it yet. ALL we know is that it is out there a NEW WAY, a better WAY, and the old WAY is in our WAY!
"BTW, check out Jung's work on the Anima and the Animus, and the process of Individuation. "
The Anima is his shadow. It becomes the witch when it is not acknowledged.
You demonize what you reject.
Very astute. Hadn't occured to me.
Thanks,
chrys333 -
It has always seemed to me that in the new Aeon we should be deconstructing society at its roots and re-engineering something totally different.
What I mean is that the whole social foundation of marriage and family have to be broken down before a new social order that is rooted in the individual can come into power.
The whole social-political-cultural-religious-economic system must be taken out. This system is based on the old Aeon formula that Individuals exist to serve a hight purpose or a higher power, that the ultimate virtue is to submit ones own natural desires to a more deserving power.
In marriage for example each partner is meant to replace ones own WILL with the WILL of the other, or to submit oneself to the greater good of the family unit.
Likewise it is considered virtuous to submit ones family to the "good Christian values" that make for a good community. To be a good neighbor means to give part of yourself to the community, that is to allow the community to dictate your acts rather than your own WILL.
Also one simply must be a Patriot to ones own country, I mean Right or Wrong my opinion is whatever I an told by the president. Thus not my Will but the Presidents WILL be done through me.
So I am supposed to be an empty vessel 90% of my waking life, that is used as a tool to achieve the WILL of my spouse, my family, my community, my boss, the government. the Christian moral agenda, the economic agenda of corporations, and the expectations of my peers.
At what point them am I to Do as I WILT, let alone have time to discover my TRUE WILL, when all of society aims at providing me with multiple external Wills that insist I must live a normal, boring, life full of nothing that is authentic to myself, where I am just a Golem animated by external forces to become a good little middle class American.
What If I renounce it all.
and number one I renounce marriage! I WILL not live in your white house, with your picket fence, your 2 cars, and 2.7 children, I will not wear your checkered suits, watch your sitcoms, read your papers.
Thelema to me means to become something else, it means a new dream to replace the so called american dream, a new dream for humanity, A dream so new and so different that we cant even dream it yet. ALL we know is that it is out there a NEW WAY, a better WAY, and the old WAY is in our WAY!
Everything that people actually tend to become is because they have a weakness that lends them to that way of being.
I say we should not allow out genetic nature nor our environmental conditioning to hold us back.
The whole human condition and culture is what I an against. The very idea that being human is admirable.
Mere human existence is less than worthless. We should seek to destroy everything it is to be human, the same way that an acorn destroys itself to become an oak tree, or a caterpillar to become a butterfly.
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It has always seemed to me that in the new Aeon we should be deconstructing society at its roots and re-engineering something totally different.
What I mean is that the whole social foundation of marriage and family have to be broken down before a new social order that is rooted in the individual can come into power.
The whole social-political-cultural-religious-economic system must be taken out. This system is based on the old Aeon formula that Individuals exist to serve a hight purpose or a higher power, that the ultimate virtue is to submit ones own natural desires to a more deserving power.
In marriage for example each partner is meant to replace ones own WILL with the WILL of the other, or to submit oneself to the greater good of the family unit.
Likewise it is considered virtuous to submit ones family to the "good Christian values" that make for a good community. To be a good neighbor means to give part of yourself to the community, that is to allow the community to dictate your acts rather than your own WILL.
Also one simply must be a Patriot to ones own country, I mean Right or Wrong my opinion is whatever I an told by the president. Thus not my Will but the Presidents WILL be done through me.
So I am supposed to be an empty vessel 90% of my waking life, that is used as a tool to achieve the WILL of my spouse, my family, my community, my boss, the government. the Christian moral agenda, the economic agenda of corporations, and the expectations of my peers.
At what point them am I to Do as I WILT, let alone have time to discover my TRUE WILL, when all of society aims at providing me with multiple external Wills that insist I must live a normal, boring, life full of nothing that is authentic to myself, where I am just a Golem animated by external forces to become a good little middle class American.
What If I renounce it all.
and number one I renounce marriage! I WILL not live in your white house, with your picket fence, your 2 cars, and 2.7 children, I will not wear your checkered suits, watch your sitcoms, read your papers.
Thelema to me means to become something else, it means a new dream to replace the so called american dream, a new dream for humanity, A dream so new and so different that we cant even dream it yet. ALL we know is that it is out there a NEW WAY, a better WAY, and the old WAY is in our WAY!
@Froclown said
"Everything that people actually tend to become is because they have a weakness that lends them to that way of being.
I say we should not allow out genetic nature nor our environmental conditioning to hold us back.
The whole human condition and culture is what I an against. The very idea that being human is admirable.
Mere human existence is less than worthless. We should seek to destroy everything it is to be human, the same way that an acorn destroys itself to become an oak tree, or a caterpillar to become a butterfly."
Its not the "purpose" or "point" of the acorn to be a tree. Its the purpose of the acorn to be an acorn. Its the purpose of the tree to be a tree.
Crowley wrote: "We are not to regard ourselves as base beings, without whose sphere is Light or "God". Our minds and bodies are veils of the Light within. The uninitiate is a "Dark Star", and the Great Work for him is to make his veils transparent by 'purifying' them. This 'purification' is really 'simplification'; it is not that the veil is dirty, but that the complexity of its folds makes it opaque. The Great Work therefore consists principally in the solution of complexes. Everything in itself is perfect, but when things are muddled, they become 'evil'."
And "Everything that lives is holy" (William Blake). You seem ot have quite the superiority (or actually, rather, inferiority) complex.
65 & 210,
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It has always seemed to me that in the new Aeon we should be deconstructing society at its roots and re-engineering something totally different.
What I mean is that the whole social foundation of marriage and family have to be broken down before a new social order that is rooted in the individual can come into power.
The whole social-political-cultural-religious-economic system must be taken out. This system is based on the old Aeon formula that Individuals exist to serve a hight purpose or a higher power, that the ultimate virtue is to submit ones own natural desires to a more deserving power.
In marriage for example each partner is meant to replace ones own WILL with the WILL of the other, or to submit oneself to the greater good of the family unit.
Likewise it is considered virtuous to submit ones family to the "good Christian values" that make for a good community. To be a good neighbor means to give part of yourself to the community, that is to allow the community to dictate your acts rather than your own WILL.
Also one simply must be a Patriot to ones own country, I mean Right or Wrong my opinion is whatever I an told by the president. Thus not my Will but the Presidents WILL be done through me.
So I am supposed to be an empty vessel 90% of my waking life, that is used as a tool to achieve the WILL of my spouse, my family, my community, my boss, the government. the Christian moral agenda, the economic agenda of corporations, and the expectations of my peers.
At what point them am I to Do as I WILT, let alone have time to discover my TRUE WILL, when all of society aims at providing me with multiple external Wills that insist I must live a normal, boring, life full of nothing that is authentic to myself, where I am just a Golem animated by external forces to become a good little middle class American.
What If I renounce it all.
and number one I renounce marriage! I WILL not live in your white house, with your picket fence, your 2 cars, and 2.7 children, I will not wear your checkered suits, watch your sitcoms, read your papers.
Thelema to me means to become something else, it means a new dream to replace the so called american dream, a new dream for humanity, A dream so new and so different that we cant even dream it yet. ALL we know is that it is out there a NEW WAY, a better WAY, and the old WAY is in our WAY!
Everything we see and touch is a lie, a prison that keeps out true nature locked up in suits of flesh with limits and restrictions.
The true spirit within can escape into total liberation.
but only via huge advances in social, ethical, psychological, political, and technological fields.
The internet can become the collective unconscious manifest in reality. All physical needs and boundaries removed and that pure inner spiritual light liberated to return to its rightful place in the penumbra.
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It has always seemed to me that in the new Aeon we should be deconstructing society at its roots and re-engineering something totally different.
What I mean is that the whole social foundation of marriage and family have to be broken down before a new social order that is rooted in the individual can come into power.
The whole social-political-cultural-religious-economic system must be taken out. This system is based on the old Aeon formula that Individuals exist to serve a hight purpose or a higher power, that the ultimate virtue is to submit ones own natural desires to a more deserving power.
In marriage for example each partner is meant to replace ones own WILL with the WILL of the other, or to submit oneself to the greater good of the family unit.
Likewise it is considered virtuous to submit ones family to the "good Christian values" that make for a good community. To be a good neighbor means to give part of yourself to the community, that is to allow the community to dictate your acts rather than your own WILL.
Also one simply must be a Patriot to ones own country, I mean Right or Wrong my opinion is whatever I an told by the president. Thus not my Will but the Presidents WILL be done through me.
So I am supposed to be an empty vessel 90% of my waking life, that is used as a tool to achieve the WILL of my spouse, my family, my community, my boss, the government. the Christian moral agenda, the economic agenda of corporations, and the expectations of my peers.
At what point them am I to Do as I WILT, let alone have time to discover my TRUE WILL, when all of society aims at providing me with multiple external Wills that insist I must live a normal, boring, life full of nothing that is authentic to myself, where I am just a Golem animated by external forces to become a good little middle class American.
What If I renounce it all.
and number one I renounce marriage! I WILL not live in your white house, with your picket fence, your 2 cars, and 2.7 children, I will not wear your checkered suits, watch your sitcoms, read your papers.
Thelema to me means to become something else, it means a new dream to replace the so called american dream, a new dream for humanity, A dream so new and so different that we cant even dream it yet. ALL we know is that it is out there a NEW WAY, a better WAY, and the old WAY is in our WAY!
A lie? That is a bit harsh sounding to me. It is certainly an illusion, but the truthfulness of what you see is based on your own perceptions.
Personally, I see the flesh as more a playpen than a prison.
So you can rail against your Master all you want, when you get tired we can play a game
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It has always seemed to me that in the new Aeon we should be deconstructing society at its roots and re-engineering something totally different.
What I mean is that the whole social foundation of marriage and family have to be broken down before a new social order that is rooted in the individual can come into power.
The whole social-political-cultural-religious-economic system must be taken out. This system is based on the old Aeon formula that Individuals exist to serve a hight purpose or a higher power, that the ultimate virtue is to submit ones own natural desires to a more deserving power.
In marriage for example each partner is meant to replace ones own WILL with the WILL of the other, or to submit oneself to the greater good of the family unit.
Likewise it is considered virtuous to submit ones family to the "good Christian values" that make for a good community. To be a good neighbor means to give part of yourself to the community, that is to allow the community to dictate your acts rather than your own WILL.
Also one simply must be a Patriot to ones own country, I mean Right or Wrong my opinion is whatever I an told by the president. Thus not my Will but the Presidents WILL be done through me.
So I am supposed to be an empty vessel 90% of my waking life, that is used as a tool to achieve the WILL of my spouse, my family, my community, my boss, the government. the Christian moral agenda, the economic agenda of corporations, and the expectations of my peers.
At what point them am I to Do as I WILT, let alone have time to discover my TRUE WILL, when all of society aims at providing me with multiple external Wills that insist I must live a normal, boring, life full of nothing that is authentic to myself, where I am just a Golem animated by external forces to become a good little middle class American.
What If I renounce it all.
and number one I renounce marriage! I WILL not live in your white house, with your picket fence, your 2 cars, and 2.7 children, I will not wear your checkered suits, watch your sitcoms, read your papers.
Thelema to me means to become something else, it means a new dream to replace the so called american dream, a new dream for humanity, A dream so new and so different that we cant even dream it yet. ALL we know is that it is out there a NEW WAY, a better WAY, and the old WAY is in our WAY!
Well perhaps you do nat realize how far we have been cast down.
and I spoke ill of a return to the penumbra, more like we shall create a new penumbra for ourselves and our "master" is not allowed.
I should not want to return to a place I am unwelcome, but We shall make a place where the father is not welcome.
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It has always seemed to me that in the new Aeon we should be deconstructing society at its roots and re-engineering something totally different.
What I mean is that the whole social foundation of marriage and family have to be broken down before a new social order that is rooted in the individual can come into power.
The whole social-political-cultural-religious-economic system must be taken out. This system is based on the old Aeon formula that Individuals exist to serve a hight purpose or a higher power, that the ultimate virtue is to submit ones own natural desires to a more deserving power.
In marriage for example each partner is meant to replace ones own WILL with the WILL of the other, or to submit oneself to the greater good of the family unit.
Likewise it is considered virtuous to submit ones family to the "good Christian values" that make for a good community. To be a good neighbor means to give part of yourself to the community, that is to allow the community to dictate your acts rather than your own WILL.
Also one simply must be a Patriot to ones own country, I mean Right or Wrong my opinion is whatever I an told by the president. Thus not my Will but the Presidents WILL be done through me.
So I am supposed to be an empty vessel 90% of my waking life, that is used as a tool to achieve the WILL of my spouse, my family, my community, my boss, the government. the Christian moral agenda, the economic agenda of corporations, and the expectations of my peers.
At what point them am I to Do as I WILT, let alone have time to discover my TRUE WILL, when all of society aims at providing me with multiple external Wills that insist I must live a normal, boring, life full of nothing that is authentic to myself, where I am just a Golem animated by external forces to become a good little middle class American.
What If I renounce it all.
and number one I renounce marriage! I WILL not live in your white house, with your picket fence, your 2 cars, and 2.7 children, I will not wear your checkered suits, watch your sitcoms, read your papers.
Thelema to me means to become something else, it means a new dream to replace the so called american dream, a new dream for humanity, A dream so new and so different that we cant even dream it yet. ALL we know is that it is out there a NEW WAY, a better WAY, and the old WAY is in our WAY!
@Froclown said
"The true spirit within can escape into total liberation.
but only via huge advances in social, ethical, psychological, political, and technological fields."
Wrong.
Wrongwrongwrongwrong.
The 'escape', if you insist on this grim Christian Gnostic view of the world as a prison, is achieved by the individual, not by collective humanity. In saying that society needs to be reformed in order for the individual to be liberated, you are making the same mistake as the great institutional religions. One does not become liberated because of these institutions but in spite of them.
Take care of your own liberation. Your example will encourage others to do the same.
93s,
Dan -
It has always seemed to me that in the new Aeon we should be deconstructing society at its roots and re-engineering something totally different.
What I mean is that the whole social foundation of marriage and family have to be broken down before a new social order that is rooted in the individual can come into power.
The whole social-political-cultural-religious-economic system must be taken out. This system is based on the old Aeon formula that Individuals exist to serve a hight purpose or a higher power, that the ultimate virtue is to submit ones own natural desires to a more deserving power.
In marriage for example each partner is meant to replace ones own WILL with the WILL of the other, or to submit oneself to the greater good of the family unit.
Likewise it is considered virtuous to submit ones family to the "good Christian values" that make for a good community. To be a good neighbor means to give part of yourself to the community, that is to allow the community to dictate your acts rather than your own WILL.
Also one simply must be a Patriot to ones own country, I mean Right or Wrong my opinion is whatever I an told by the president. Thus not my Will but the Presidents WILL be done through me.
So I am supposed to be an empty vessel 90% of my waking life, that is used as a tool to achieve the WILL of my spouse, my family, my community, my boss, the government. the Christian moral agenda, the economic agenda of corporations, and the expectations of my peers.
At what point them am I to Do as I WILT, let alone have time to discover my TRUE WILL, when all of society aims at providing me with multiple external Wills that insist I must live a normal, boring, life full of nothing that is authentic to myself, where I am just a Golem animated by external forces to become a good little middle class American.
What If I renounce it all.
and number one I renounce marriage! I WILL not live in your white house, with your picket fence, your 2 cars, and 2.7 children, I will not wear your checkered suits, watch your sitcoms, read your papers.
Thelema to me means to become something else, it means a new dream to replace the so called american dream, a new dream for humanity, A dream so new and so different that we cant even dream it yet. ALL we know is that it is out there a NEW WAY, a better WAY, and the old WAY is in our WAY!
@Chris Hanlon said
""BTW, check out Jung's work on the Anima and the Animus, and the process of Individuation. "
The Anima is his shadow. It becomes the witch when it is not acknowledged.
"Not that this has anything to do with the other important topics going on in this thread (cough cough), but I think that Jung had two different concepts in mind for the "shadow" and "anima/animus" archetypes. (Though note that everything below is from memory...)
Think of everything that you think you are. That's what Jung alternately called the "persona" or the "ego." The shadow is everything you think you're not. Put them all together, and you've got the whole Self.
If you are male, then a significant subset of "what you're not" is going to consist of female attributes. This "package" is the anima, which isn't necessarily as antagonistic and challenging as the totality of "not-me" (i.e., the shadow) can be.
I've always thought that Billy Joel's old song "The Stranger" was a good description of confronting the shadow archetype.
On the whole, there seems to be a lot of "hidden individuation" in Thelema, the A.'.A.'., etc. It seems to be clearly a part of the journey, but it would benefit to be talked about in those terms more often, I think. Aum418, I'm looking forward to printing and reading your psychological treatise in detail.... more time next week to do this, I hope...
Steve
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It has always seemed to me that in the new Aeon we should be deconstructing society at its roots and re-engineering something totally different.
What I mean is that the whole social foundation of marriage and family have to be broken down before a new social order that is rooted in the individual can come into power.
The whole social-political-cultural-religious-economic system must be taken out. This system is based on the old Aeon formula that Individuals exist to serve a hight purpose or a higher power, that the ultimate virtue is to submit ones own natural desires to a more deserving power.
In marriage for example each partner is meant to replace ones own WILL with the WILL of the other, or to submit oneself to the greater good of the family unit.
Likewise it is considered virtuous to submit ones family to the "good Christian values" that make for a good community. To be a good neighbor means to give part of yourself to the community, that is to allow the community to dictate your acts rather than your own WILL.
Also one simply must be a Patriot to ones own country, I mean Right or Wrong my opinion is whatever I an told by the president. Thus not my Will but the Presidents WILL be done through me.
So I am supposed to be an empty vessel 90% of my waking life, that is used as a tool to achieve the WILL of my spouse, my family, my community, my boss, the government. the Christian moral agenda, the economic agenda of corporations, and the expectations of my peers.
At what point them am I to Do as I WILT, let alone have time to discover my TRUE WILL, when all of society aims at providing me with multiple external Wills that insist I must live a normal, boring, life full of nothing that is authentic to myself, where I am just a Golem animated by external forces to become a good little middle class American.
What If I renounce it all.
and number one I renounce marriage! I WILL not live in your white house, with your picket fence, your 2 cars, and 2.7 children, I will not wear your checkered suits, watch your sitcoms, read your papers.
Thelema to me means to become something else, it means a new dream to replace the so called american dream, a new dream for humanity, A dream so new and so different that we cant even dream it yet. ALL we know is that it is out there a NEW WAY, a better WAY, and the old WAY is in our WAY!
If you prefer a non-Christian Gnostic explanation, ok.
We humans do nat have a niche we are not part of the natural world. It neglected and rejected us, but instead of die off, we invented technology to cope, to transform our environment and even ourselves. We recreated nature in our own image, Prometheus stole the fire af the Gods if you Will.
anyway, ultimately we can either die off by destroying nature until our life line to it is severed beyond repair.
OR we can become something unnatural, We can become fully technological, ween ourselves off nature, off the entire biological foundation. Then create a new world, a world built of technology rather than nature, A world in the image of MAN, rather than the image of the creator or nature.
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It has always seemed to me that in the new Aeon we should be deconstructing society at its roots and re-engineering something totally different.
What I mean is that the whole social foundation of marriage and family have to be broken down before a new social order that is rooted in the individual can come into power.
The whole social-political-cultural-religious-economic system must be taken out. This system is based on the old Aeon formula that Individuals exist to serve a hight purpose or a higher power, that the ultimate virtue is to submit ones own natural desires to a more deserving power.
In marriage for example each partner is meant to replace ones own WILL with the WILL of the other, or to submit oneself to the greater good of the family unit.
Likewise it is considered virtuous to submit ones family to the "good Christian values" that make for a good community. To be a good neighbor means to give part of yourself to the community, that is to allow the community to dictate your acts rather than your own WILL.
Also one simply must be a Patriot to ones own country, I mean Right or Wrong my opinion is whatever I an told by the president. Thus not my Will but the Presidents WILL be done through me.
So I am supposed to be an empty vessel 90% of my waking life, that is used as a tool to achieve the WILL of my spouse, my family, my community, my boss, the government. the Christian moral agenda, the economic agenda of corporations, and the expectations of my peers.
At what point them am I to Do as I WILT, let alone have time to discover my TRUE WILL, when all of society aims at providing me with multiple external Wills that insist I must live a normal, boring, life full of nothing that is authentic to myself, where I am just a Golem animated by external forces to become a good little middle class American.
What If I renounce it all.
and number one I renounce marriage! I WILL not live in your white house, with your picket fence, your 2 cars, and 2.7 children, I will not wear your checkered suits, watch your sitcoms, read your papers.
Thelema to me means to become something else, it means a new dream to replace the so called american dream, a new dream for humanity, A dream so new and so different that we cant even dream it yet. ALL we know is that it is out there a NEW WAY, a better WAY, and the old WAY is in our WAY!
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It has always seemed to me that in the new Aeon we should be deconstructing society at its roots and re-engineering something totally different.
What I mean is that the whole social foundation of marriage and family have to be broken down before a new social order that is rooted in the individual can come into power.
The whole social-political-cultural-religious-economic system must be taken out. This system is based on the old Aeon formula that Individuals exist to serve a hight purpose or a higher power, that the ultimate virtue is to submit ones own natural desires to a more deserving power.
In marriage for example each partner is meant to replace ones own WILL with the WILL of the other, or to submit oneself to the greater good of the family unit.
Likewise it is considered virtuous to submit ones family to the "good Christian values" that make for a good community. To be a good neighbor means to give part of yourself to the community, that is to allow the community to dictate your acts rather than your own WILL.
Also one simply must be a Patriot to ones own country, I mean Right or Wrong my opinion is whatever I an told by the president. Thus not my Will but the Presidents WILL be done through me.
So I am supposed to be an empty vessel 90% of my waking life, that is used as a tool to achieve the WILL of my spouse, my family, my community, my boss, the government. the Christian moral agenda, the economic agenda of corporations, and the expectations of my peers.
At what point them am I to Do as I WILT, let alone have time to discover my TRUE WILL, when all of society aims at providing me with multiple external Wills that insist I must live a normal, boring, life full of nothing that is authentic to myself, where I am just a Golem animated by external forces to become a good little middle class American.
What If I renounce it all.
and number one I renounce marriage! I WILL not live in your white house, with your picket fence, your 2 cars, and 2.7 children, I will not wear your checkered suits, watch your sitcoms, read your papers.
Thelema to me means to become something else, it means a new dream to replace the so called american dream, a new dream for humanity, A dream so new and so different that we cant even dream it yet. ALL we know is that it is out there a NEW WAY, a better WAY, and the old WAY is in our WAY!
@froclown said
"We humans do nat have a niche we are not part of the natural world. It neglected and rejected us,"
I have to disagree with that.
It is the human race which has rejected the natural world, with our over population and stripping of natural resources.Rather than living in harmony and showing respect with what has allowed us to keep evolving we rape and mistreat her.
@froclown said
"We can become fully technological,"
Where do you plan on getting the resources to build this technology?
Why, from the nature that has rejected us, yet continually provides us with what we need to survive!
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It has always seemed to me that in the new Aeon we should be deconstructing society at its roots and re-engineering something totally different.
What I mean is that the whole social foundation of marriage and family have to be broken down before a new social order that is rooted in the individual can come into power.
The whole social-political-cultural-religious-economic system must be taken out. This system is based on the old Aeon formula that Individuals exist to serve a hight purpose or a higher power, that the ultimate virtue is to submit ones own natural desires to a more deserving power.
In marriage for example each partner is meant to replace ones own WILL with the WILL of the other, or to submit oneself to the greater good of the family unit.
Likewise it is considered virtuous to submit ones family to the "good Christian values" that make for a good community. To be a good neighbor means to give part of yourself to the community, that is to allow the community to dictate your acts rather than your own WILL.
Also one simply must be a Patriot to ones own country, I mean Right or Wrong my opinion is whatever I an told by the president. Thus not my Will but the Presidents WILL be done through me.
So I am supposed to be an empty vessel 90% of my waking life, that is used as a tool to achieve the WILL of my spouse, my family, my community, my boss, the government. the Christian moral agenda, the economic agenda of corporations, and the expectations of my peers.
At what point them am I to Do as I WILT, let alone have time to discover my TRUE WILL, when all of society aims at providing me with multiple external Wills that insist I must live a normal, boring, life full of nothing that is authentic to myself, where I am just a Golem animated by external forces to become a good little middle class American.
What If I renounce it all.
and number one I renounce marriage! I WILL not live in your white house, with your picket fence, your 2 cars, and 2.7 children, I will not wear your checkered suits, watch your sitcoms, read your papers.
Thelema to me means to become something else, it means a new dream to replace the so called american dream, a new dream for humanity, A dream so new and so different that we cant even dream it yet. ALL we know is that it is out there a NEW WAY, a better WAY, and the old WAY is in our WAY!
Yes it seems we have to use silicon and electricity etc. however nature is not the raw matter, it is a system that organizes that matter.
The point is to live fully in a semantic mental world, a world where we interact fully with cyberspace and have no need to deal with the physical matter, but rather with information.
Ultimately we learn to do mare and mare with less and less, until eventually perhaps we can do all with nothing. Or as close to this as in possible.
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It has always seemed to me that in the new Aeon we should be deconstructing society at its roots and re-engineering something totally different.
What I mean is that the whole social foundation of marriage and family have to be broken down before a new social order that is rooted in the individual can come into power.
The whole social-political-cultural-religious-economic system must be taken out. This system is based on the old Aeon formula that Individuals exist to serve a hight purpose or a higher power, that the ultimate virtue is to submit ones own natural desires to a more deserving power.
In marriage for example each partner is meant to replace ones own WILL with the WILL of the other, or to submit oneself to the greater good of the family unit.
Likewise it is considered virtuous to submit ones family to the "good Christian values" that make for a good community. To be a good neighbor means to give part of yourself to the community, that is to allow the community to dictate your acts rather than your own WILL.
Also one simply must be a Patriot to ones own country, I mean Right or Wrong my opinion is whatever I an told by the president. Thus not my Will but the Presidents WILL be done through me.
So I am supposed to be an empty vessel 90% of my waking life, that is used as a tool to achieve the WILL of my spouse, my family, my community, my boss, the government. the Christian moral agenda, the economic agenda of corporations, and the expectations of my peers.
At what point them am I to Do as I WILT, let alone have time to discover my TRUE WILL, when all of society aims at providing me with multiple external Wills that insist I must live a normal, boring, life full of nothing that is authentic to myself, where I am just a Golem animated by external forces to become a good little middle class American.
What If I renounce it all.
and number one I renounce marriage! I WILL not live in your white house, with your picket fence, your 2 cars, and 2.7 children, I will not wear your checkered suits, watch your sitcoms, read your papers.
Thelema to me means to become something else, it means a new dream to replace the so called american dream, a new dream for humanity, A dream so new and so different that we cant even dream it yet. ALL we know is that it is out there a NEW WAY, a better WAY, and the old WAY is in our WAY!
93,
"The point is to live fully in a semantic mental world, a world where we interact fully with cyberspace and have no need to deal with the physical matter, but rather with information.
Ultimately we learn to do mare and mare with less and less, until eventually perhaps we can do all with nothing. Or as close to this as in possible."
"Come unto me" is a foolish word; for it is I that go. (Liber L, II, v7). That is, the natu of Nuit, the universe, is that is totally fileld with dynamically interactive Hadits. To strive to do away with that is en effort that's bound to fail.
This thread seems to be about the awfulness of life and living. But Thelema recognizes all this interaction, all this change, by one word: Love. The opposite of Love, as Freud noted, is Death: that is, stasis, paralysis and utter isolation. Maybe some of you think "Yippee - come me in, or rather, out!" But this isn't a Thelemic position.
"Beauty and strength, leaping laughter and delicious languor, force and fire, are of us." (Liber L II, v 20).93 93/93,
Edward
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It has always seemed to me that in the new Aeon we should be deconstructing society at its roots and re-engineering something totally different.
What I mean is that the whole social foundation of marriage and family have to be broken down before a new social order that is rooted in the individual can come into power.
The whole social-political-cultural-religious-economic system must be taken out. This system is based on the old Aeon formula that Individuals exist to serve a hight purpose or a higher power, that the ultimate virtue is to submit ones own natural desires to a more deserving power.
In marriage for example each partner is meant to replace ones own WILL with the WILL of the other, or to submit oneself to the greater good of the family unit.
Likewise it is considered virtuous to submit ones family to the "good Christian values" that make for a good community. To be a good neighbor means to give part of yourself to the community, that is to allow the community to dictate your acts rather than your own WILL.
Also one simply must be a Patriot to ones own country, I mean Right or Wrong my opinion is whatever I an told by the president. Thus not my Will but the Presidents WILL be done through me.
So I am supposed to be an empty vessel 90% of my waking life, that is used as a tool to achieve the WILL of my spouse, my family, my community, my boss, the government. the Christian moral agenda, the economic agenda of corporations, and the expectations of my peers.
At what point them am I to Do as I WILT, let alone have time to discover my TRUE WILL, when all of society aims at providing me with multiple external Wills that insist I must live a normal, boring, life full of nothing that is authentic to myself, where I am just a Golem animated by external forces to become a good little middle class American.
What If I renounce it all.
and number one I renounce marriage! I WILL not live in your white house, with your picket fence, your 2 cars, and 2.7 children, I will not wear your checkered suits, watch your sitcoms, read your papers.
Thelema to me means to become something else, it means a new dream to replace the so called american dream, a new dream for humanity, A dream so new and so different that we cant even dream it yet. ALL we know is that it is out there a NEW WAY, a better WAY, and the old WAY is in our WAY!
@Froclown said
"The point is to live fully in a semantic mental world, a world where we interact fully with cyberspace and have no need to deal with the physical matter, but rather with information."
The Age of Aquarius begins in 2376 A.D. It doesn't seem that what you describe is likely to start until sometime into the 2,160 years following that.
"Ultimately we learn to do mare and mare with less and less, until eventually perhaps we can do all with nothing. Or as close to this as in possible."
That's seems excruciatingly boring.
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It has always seemed to me that in the new Aeon we should be deconstructing society at its roots and re-engineering something totally different.
What I mean is that the whole social foundation of marriage and family have to be broken down before a new social order that is rooted in the individual can come into power.
The whole social-political-cultural-religious-economic system must be taken out. This system is based on the old Aeon formula that Individuals exist to serve a hight purpose or a higher power, that the ultimate virtue is to submit ones own natural desires to a more deserving power.
In marriage for example each partner is meant to replace ones own WILL with the WILL of the other, or to submit oneself to the greater good of the family unit.
Likewise it is considered virtuous to submit ones family to the "good Christian values" that make for a good community. To be a good neighbor means to give part of yourself to the community, that is to allow the community to dictate your acts rather than your own WILL.
Also one simply must be a Patriot to ones own country, I mean Right or Wrong my opinion is whatever I an told by the president. Thus not my Will but the Presidents WILL be done through me.
So I am supposed to be an empty vessel 90% of my waking life, that is used as a tool to achieve the WILL of my spouse, my family, my community, my boss, the government. the Christian moral agenda, the economic agenda of corporations, and the expectations of my peers.
At what point them am I to Do as I WILT, let alone have time to discover my TRUE WILL, when all of society aims at providing me with multiple external Wills that insist I must live a normal, boring, life full of nothing that is authentic to myself, where I am just a Golem animated by external forces to become a good little middle class American.
What If I renounce it all.
and number one I renounce marriage! I WILL not live in your white house, with your picket fence, your 2 cars, and 2.7 children, I will not wear your checkered suits, watch your sitcoms, read your papers.
Thelema to me means to become something else, it means a new dream to replace the so called american dream, a new dream for humanity, A dream so new and so different that we cant even dream it yet. ALL we know is that it is out there a NEW WAY, a better WAY, and the old WAY is in our WAY!
Creating entire worlds to inhabit, linking our minds collectively, the ability to build all manor of bio-mechanical bodies and download our consciousness into them.
Nano-bots that can reshape anything according to our WILL.
Existing as a transient consciousness that is not tied down to this or that specific chunk of matter, in this short duration of space time. Being Immune to pain, disease, aging and death.
What is boring about this?
It sounds like the very definition of a secret chief.
Is not the highest goal and reason to study Magick at all the hope of ascending human form, to cross the abyss, and become a Secret chief who dwells in the city of pyramids eternally beyond the limits of physical manifestation, yet can WILL to manifest himself physically in any form he WILL to accomplish collective aims of the brotherhood?
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It has always seemed to me that in the new Aeon we should be deconstructing society at its roots and re-engineering something totally different.
What I mean is that the whole social foundation of marriage and family have to be broken down before a new social order that is rooted in the individual can come into power.
The whole social-political-cultural-religious-economic system must be taken out. This system is based on the old Aeon formula that Individuals exist to serve a hight purpose or a higher power, that the ultimate virtue is to submit ones own natural desires to a more deserving power.
In marriage for example each partner is meant to replace ones own WILL with the WILL of the other, or to submit oneself to the greater good of the family unit.
Likewise it is considered virtuous to submit ones family to the "good Christian values" that make for a good community. To be a good neighbor means to give part of yourself to the community, that is to allow the community to dictate your acts rather than your own WILL.
Also one simply must be a Patriot to ones own country, I mean Right or Wrong my opinion is whatever I an told by the president. Thus not my Will but the Presidents WILL be done through me.
So I am supposed to be an empty vessel 90% of my waking life, that is used as a tool to achieve the WILL of my spouse, my family, my community, my boss, the government. the Christian moral agenda, the economic agenda of corporations, and the expectations of my peers.
At what point them am I to Do as I WILT, let alone have time to discover my TRUE WILL, when all of society aims at providing me with multiple external Wills that insist I must live a normal, boring, life full of nothing that is authentic to myself, where I am just a Golem animated by external forces to become a good little middle class American.
What If I renounce it all.
and number one I renounce marriage! I WILL not live in your white house, with your picket fence, your 2 cars, and 2.7 children, I will not wear your checkered suits, watch your sitcoms, read your papers.
Thelema to me means to become something else, it means a new dream to replace the so called american dream, a new dream for humanity, A dream so new and so different that we cant even dream it yet. ALL we know is that it is out there a NEW WAY, a better WAY, and the old WAY is in our WAY!
@Froclown said
"Creating entire worlds to inhabit, linking our minds collectively, the ability to build all manor of bio-mechanical bodies and download our consciousness into them.
Nano-bots that can reshape anything according to our WILL.
Existing as a transient consciousness that is not tied down to this or that specific chunk of matter, in this short duration of space time. Being Immune to pain, disease, aging and death.
What is boring about this?
It sounds like the very definition of a secret chief.
Is not the highest goal and reason to study Magick at all the hope of ascending human form, to cross the abyss, and become a Secret chief who dwells in the city of pyramids eternally beyond the limits of physical manifestation, yet can WILL to manifest himself physically in any form he WILL to accomplish collective aims of the brotherhood?"
How old are you, anyway? You sound about 14.
Dan
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It has always seemed to me that in the new Aeon we should be deconstructing society at its roots and re-engineering something totally different.
What I mean is that the whole social foundation of marriage and family have to be broken down before a new social order that is rooted in the individual can come into power.
The whole social-political-cultural-religious-economic system must be taken out. This system is based on the old Aeon formula that Individuals exist to serve a hight purpose or a higher power, that the ultimate virtue is to submit ones own natural desires to a more deserving power.
In marriage for example each partner is meant to replace ones own WILL with the WILL of the other, or to submit oneself to the greater good of the family unit.
Likewise it is considered virtuous to submit ones family to the "good Christian values" that make for a good community. To be a good neighbor means to give part of yourself to the community, that is to allow the community to dictate your acts rather than your own WILL.
Also one simply must be a Patriot to ones own country, I mean Right or Wrong my opinion is whatever I an told by the president. Thus not my Will but the Presidents WILL be done through me.
So I am supposed to be an empty vessel 90% of my waking life, that is used as a tool to achieve the WILL of my spouse, my family, my community, my boss, the government. the Christian moral agenda, the economic agenda of corporations, and the expectations of my peers.
At what point them am I to Do as I WILT, let alone have time to discover my TRUE WILL, when all of society aims at providing me with multiple external Wills that insist I must live a normal, boring, life full of nothing that is authentic to myself, where I am just a Golem animated by external forces to become a good little middle class American.
What If I renounce it all.
and number one I renounce marriage! I WILL not live in your white house, with your picket fence, your 2 cars, and 2.7 children, I will not wear your checkered suits, watch your sitcoms, read your papers.
Thelema to me means to become something else, it means a new dream to replace the so called american dream, a new dream for humanity, A dream so new and so different that we cant even dream it yet. ALL we know is that it is out there a NEW WAY, a better WAY, and the old WAY is in our WAY!
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It has always seemed to me that in the new Aeon we should be deconstructing society at its roots and re-engineering something totally different.
What I mean is that the whole social foundation of marriage and family have to be broken down before a new social order that is rooted in the individual can come into power.
The whole social-political-cultural-religious-economic system must be taken out. This system is based on the old Aeon formula that Individuals exist to serve a hight purpose or a higher power, that the ultimate virtue is to submit ones own natural desires to a more deserving power.
In marriage for example each partner is meant to replace ones own WILL with the WILL of the other, or to submit oneself to the greater good of the family unit.
Likewise it is considered virtuous to submit ones family to the "good Christian values" that make for a good community. To be a good neighbor means to give part of yourself to the community, that is to allow the community to dictate your acts rather than your own WILL.
Also one simply must be a Patriot to ones own country, I mean Right or Wrong my opinion is whatever I an told by the president. Thus not my Will but the Presidents WILL be done through me.
So I am supposed to be an empty vessel 90% of my waking life, that is used as a tool to achieve the WILL of my spouse, my family, my community, my boss, the government. the Christian moral agenda, the economic agenda of corporations, and the expectations of my peers.
At what point them am I to Do as I WILT, let alone have time to discover my TRUE WILL, when all of society aims at providing me with multiple external Wills that insist I must live a normal, boring, life full of nothing that is authentic to myself, where I am just a Golem animated by external forces to become a good little middle class American.
What If I renounce it all.
and number one I renounce marriage! I WILL not live in your white house, with your picket fence, your 2 cars, and 2.7 children, I will not wear your checkered suits, watch your sitcoms, read your papers.
Thelema to me means to become something else, it means a new dream to replace the so called american dream, a new dream for humanity, A dream so new and so different that we cant even dream it yet. ALL we know is that it is out there a NEW WAY, a better WAY, and the old WAY is in our WAY!
@Froclown said
"Is not the highest goal and reason to study Magick at all the hope of ascending human form, to cross the abyss, and become a Secret chief who dwells in the city of pyramids eternally beyond the limits of physical manifestation, yet can WILL to manifest himself physically in any form he WILL to accomplish collective aims of the brotherhood?"
Well, no, not really.
One might argue that something like that is one of the higher goals of mysticism for some beings, but certainly not of magick.
The highest goal of magick is to intersect the incarnated Divine essence with the fully human to discover and fulfill the function for which it entered voluntarily into incarnaton.
BTW, it does seem you have the idea that we are incarnate against our wills. Nobody is here that didn't choose to be. There is no trap. This is what we are setting out to do in this part of the big amusement park tour.