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@Froclown said
"Yes I agree that my characterization was of the Osiris aeon woman.
My point was that women are by nature susceptible to this way of being, and by nurture are encouraged to be this way.
"And my point is that you seem to be blind to the fact that you don't see that your characterization is that of an "Osiris Aeon man".
What progress can we achieve if we still harbor the thought that "women are by nature susceptible to this way of being"?
BTW, check out Jung's work on the Anima and the Animus, and the process of Individuation. With the Aeon of Horus and the Crowned and Conquering Child, the energy is more and more Androgynous than anything.
Let's not go back to that same women are mindless bimbos or demonic vampires... OK?
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"BTW, check out Jung's work on the Anima and the Animus, and the process of Individuation. "
The Anima is his shadow. It becomes the witch when it is not acknowledged.
You demonize what you reject.
Very astute. Hadn't occured to me.
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Everything that people actually tend to become is because they have a weakness that lends them to that way of being.
I say we should not allow out genetic nature nor our environmental conditioning to hold us back.
The whole human condition and culture is what I an against. The very idea that being human is admirable.
Mere human existence is less than worthless. We should seek to destroy everything it is to be human, the same way that an acorn destroys itself to become an oak tree, or a caterpillar to become a butterfly.
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@Froclown said
"Everything that people actually tend to become is because they have a weakness that lends them to that way of being.
I say we should not allow out genetic nature nor our environmental conditioning to hold us back.
The whole human condition and culture is what I an against. The very idea that being human is admirable.
Mere human existence is less than worthless. We should seek to destroy everything it is to be human, the same way that an acorn destroys itself to become an oak tree, or a caterpillar to become a butterfly."
Its not the "purpose" or "point" of the acorn to be a tree. Its the purpose of the acorn to be an acorn. Its the purpose of the tree to be a tree.
Crowley wrote: "We are not to regard ourselves as base beings, without whose sphere is Light or "God". Our minds and bodies are veils of the Light within. The uninitiate is a "Dark Star", and the Great Work for him is to make his veils transparent by 'purifying' them. This 'purification' is really 'simplification'; it is not that the veil is dirty, but that the complexity of its folds makes it opaque. The Great Work therefore consists principally in the solution of complexes. Everything in itself is perfect, but when things are muddled, they become 'evil'."
And "Everything that lives is holy" (William Blake). You seem ot have quite the superiority (or actually, rather, inferiority) complex.
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Everything we see and touch is a lie, a prison that keeps out true nature locked up in suits of flesh with limits and restrictions.
The true spirit within can escape into total liberation.
but only via huge advances in social, ethical, psychological, political, and technological fields.
The internet can become the collective unconscious manifest in reality. All physical needs and boundaries removed and that pure inner spiritual light liberated to return to its rightful place in the penumbra.
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A lie? That is a bit harsh sounding to me. It is certainly an illusion, but the truthfulness of what you see is based on your own perceptions.
Personally, I see the flesh as more a playpen than a prison.
So you can rail against your Master all you want, when you get tired we can play a game
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Well perhaps you do nat realize how far we have been cast down.
and I spoke ill of a return to the penumbra, more like we shall create a new penumbra for ourselves and our "master" is not allowed.
I should not want to return to a place I am unwelcome, but We shall make a place where the father is not welcome.
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@Froclown said
"The true spirit within can escape into total liberation.
but only via huge advances in social, ethical, psychological, political, and technological fields."
Wrong.
Wrongwrongwrongwrong.
The 'escape', if you insist on this grim Christian Gnostic view of the world as a prison, is achieved by the individual, not by collective humanity. In saying that society needs to be reformed in order for the individual to be liberated, you are making the same mistake as the great institutional religions. One does not become liberated because of these institutions but in spite of them.
Take care of your own liberation. Your example will encourage others to do the same.
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@Chris Hanlon said
""BTW, check out Jung's work on the Anima and the Animus, and the process of Individuation. "
The Anima is his shadow. It becomes the witch when it is not acknowledged.
"Not that this has anything to do with the other important topics going on in this thread (cough cough), but I think that Jung had two different concepts in mind for the "shadow" and "anima/animus" archetypes. (Though note that everything below is from memory...)
Think of everything that you think you are. That's what Jung alternately called the "persona" or the "ego." The shadow is everything you think you're not. Put them all together, and you've got the whole Self.
If you are male, then a significant subset of "what you're not" is going to consist of female attributes. This "package" is the anima, which isn't necessarily as antagonistic and challenging as the totality of "not-me" (i.e., the shadow) can be.
I've always thought that Billy Joel's old song "The Stranger" was a good description of confronting the shadow archetype.
On the whole, there seems to be a lot of "hidden individuation" in Thelema, the A.'.A.'., etc. It seems to be clearly a part of the journey, but it would benefit to be talked about in those terms more often, I think. Aum418, I'm looking forward to printing and reading your psychological treatise in detail.... more time next week to do this, I hope...
Steve
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If you prefer a non-Christian Gnostic explanation, ok.
We humans do nat have a niche we are not part of the natural world. It neglected and rejected us, but instead of die off, we invented technology to cope, to transform our environment and even ourselves. We recreated nature in our own image, Prometheus stole the fire af the Gods if you Will.
anyway, ultimately we can either die off by destroying nature until our life line to it is severed beyond repair.
OR we can become something unnatural, We can become fully technological, ween ourselves off nature, off the entire biological foundation. Then create a new world, a world built of technology rather than nature, A world in the image of MAN, rather than the image of the creator or nature.
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@froclown said
"We humans do nat have a niche we are not part of the natural world. It neglected and rejected us,"
I have to disagree with that.
It is the human race which has rejected the natural world, with our over population and stripping of natural resources.Rather than living in harmony and showing respect with what has allowed us to keep evolving we rape and mistreat her.
@froclown said
"We can become fully technological,"
Where do you plan on getting the resources to build this technology?
Why, from the nature that has rejected us, yet continually provides us with what we need to survive!
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Yes it seems we have to use silicon and electricity etc. however nature is not the raw matter, it is a system that organizes that matter.
The point is to live fully in a semantic mental world, a world where we interact fully with cyberspace and have no need to deal with the physical matter, but rather with information.
Ultimately we learn to do mare and mare with less and less, until eventually perhaps we can do all with nothing. Or as close to this as in possible.
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93,
"The point is to live fully in a semantic mental world, a world where we interact fully with cyberspace and have no need to deal with the physical matter, but rather with information.
Ultimately we learn to do mare and mare with less and less, until eventually perhaps we can do all with nothing. Or as close to this as in possible."
"Come unto me" is a foolish word; for it is I that go. (Liber L, II, v7). That is, the natu of Nuit, the universe, is that is totally fileld with dynamically interactive Hadits. To strive to do away with that is en effort that's bound to fail.
This thread seems to be about the awfulness of life and living. But Thelema recognizes all this interaction, all this change, by one word: Love. The opposite of Love, as Freud noted, is Death: that is, stasis, paralysis and utter isolation. Maybe some of you think "Yippee - come me in, or rather, out!" But this isn't a Thelemic position.
"Beauty and strength, leaping laughter and delicious languor, force and fire, are of us." (Liber L II, v 20).93 93/93,
Edward
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@Froclown said
"The point is to live fully in a semantic mental world, a world where we interact fully with cyberspace and have no need to deal with the physical matter, but rather with information."
The Age of Aquarius begins in 2376 A.D. It doesn't seem that what you describe is likely to start until sometime into the 2,160 years following that.
"Ultimately we learn to do mare and mare with less and less, until eventually perhaps we can do all with nothing. Or as close to this as in possible."
That's seems excruciatingly boring.
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Creating entire worlds to inhabit, linking our minds collectively, the ability to build all manor of bio-mechanical bodies and download our consciousness into them.
Nano-bots that can reshape anything according to our WILL.
Existing as a transient consciousness that is not tied down to this or that specific chunk of matter, in this short duration of space time. Being Immune to pain, disease, aging and death.
What is boring about this?
It sounds like the very definition of a secret chief.
Is not the highest goal and reason to study Magick at all the hope of ascending human form, to cross the abyss, and become a Secret chief who dwells in the city of pyramids eternally beyond the limits of physical manifestation, yet can WILL to manifest himself physically in any form he WILL to accomplish collective aims of the brotherhood?
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@Froclown said
"Creating entire worlds to inhabit, linking our minds collectively, the ability to build all manor of bio-mechanical bodies and download our consciousness into them.
Nano-bots that can reshape anything according to our WILL.
Existing as a transient consciousness that is not tied down to this or that specific chunk of matter, in this short duration of space time. Being Immune to pain, disease, aging and death.
What is boring about this?
It sounds like the very definition of a secret chief.
Is not the highest goal and reason to study Magick at all the hope of ascending human form, to cross the abyss, and become a Secret chief who dwells in the city of pyramids eternally beyond the limits of physical manifestation, yet can WILL to manifest himself physically in any form he WILL to accomplish collective aims of the brotherhood?"
How old are you, anyway? You sound about 14.
Dan
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@Froclown said
"Is not the highest goal and reason to study Magick at all the hope of ascending human form, to cross the abyss, and become a Secret chief who dwells in the city of pyramids eternally beyond the limits of physical manifestation, yet can WILL to manifest himself physically in any form he WILL to accomplish collective aims of the brotherhood?"
Well, no, not really.
One might argue that something like that is one of the higher goals of mysticism for some beings, but certainly not of magick.
The highest goal of magick is to intersect the incarnated Divine essence with the fully human to discover and fulfill the function for which it entered voluntarily into incarnaton.
BTW, it does seem you have the idea that we are incarnate against our wills. Nobody is here that didn't choose to be. There is no trap. This is what we are setting out to do in this part of the big amusement park tour.
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I find it difficult to believe that you do not joyfully celebrate the body when you are on a Thelemic website. The freedom you speak about comes from not feeling imprisoned by anything, since you are truly who you are, and where you should be.
I flee from anything because of fear and pain, and a sense of helplessness.
How much pain does it take to wish to obliterate the body? A lot.
In L.V.X.,
chrys333