meditative state on cannabis
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@JPF said
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@Alias55A said
"i wouldnt call myself a psychonaut, but ive considered taking the path if i can ever get ahold of any damn friggin mushrooms around this place "Living in California, I don't share your difficulties.
But I sympathize. You'll find them when you're ready."wtf?
explain? like a permenent enlightened state? "Yes. Everything suddenly became "clear." This was also coupled with some very unusual circumstances, however, which I am not at liberty to discuss.
"besides checking that all responsibilities are taken care of for the day, and when ppl go to bed, sitting confortably on the porch and lighten up, nothing else realy, what should i be doing? lol"
By "preparation" I meant "what sort of pot,"--when it comes to Cannabis, strain and potency are key factors. But having a good in environment is good as well.
"And of course "The Psychology of Hashish" which is a bit more clear on the subject and goes far more in depth. "
Good point. Forgot about that one.
"What?? I just understand the monks better when I'm stoned! lol."
Me too. I had a stoned epiphany listening to Alan Watts on the radio the other day. He was talking about relationships, and how everything is defined by everything else. Got me thinking... Then I pigged out on sushi, and "saw that it was good."
"That's interesting (the Watts lecture). I have been working on an essay arguing for an "ontology of relation", where instead of objects being ontologically primary, being defined by sets of properties, and finally recognized as laying in relations, we reverse the notion and claim "to exist is to lay in relation" and then define objects via the relations they lay in (including properties, such as "A is red to X, where X=sighted observers with optical capabilities within such and so parameters").
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I have always found that it assists in visualizations, raising their intensity.
I often view smoking some of the herb as a meditation. A shift of perspective, and for me, a returning to a more innocent and unbiased perceptiveness.
How are you smoking it?
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ya, it does alot of inhancing, but what i hate is if that the invironment and setting isnt just right, distraction is a big problem and kills the buzz for me, it sucks when you dont get much privacy from people who live with you, its like the high intensifies everything mentally for me so if the preperation isnt right its hard to keep the mind from wandering to annoying deep thoughts.
i dont know what kind i smoke, all i know is that it is good high grade florida home grown mary-jane, pure, not laced, and i usually smoke it in my special wooden bowl.
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"I find a pure Sativa the best. Indica, Ruderalis and different blends have more of an effect on the body, but something like 'silver haze' seems to have a purely mental effect. People don't tend to grow this for commercial sale though - too little a yeild."
'Tis a matter of preference really. Indica, for me, goes well with morning coffee, and I tend to accomplish more under its influence. Sattiva, as well as certain hybrids, tends to make me very hungry, and then sleepy. Great for late night pancakes; bad for meditation.
For meditative purposes, a good strain of hashish is perhaps best, or any refined preparation for that matter.
Here in California our "Medical Cannabis" dispensaries are chock full of strains with amusing names like "Green Crack" and "Blue Ape," etc. Besides this interesting phenomenon, it's now very easy and very legal to grow one's own herb. As soon as I get a proper space, I intend to grow a crop in a Magically consecrated environment, in tune with lunar cycles and such. Little details make all the difference.
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I find a pure Sativa the best. Indica, Ruderalis and different blends have more of an effect on the body, but something like 'silver haze' seems to have a purely mental effect. People don't tend to grow this for commercial sale though - too little a yeild.'Tis a matter of preference really. Indica, for me, goes well with morning coffee, and I tend to accomplish more under its influence. Sattiva, as well as certain hybrids, tends to make me very hungry, and then sleepy. Great for late night pancakes; bad for meditation. Very Happy
For meditative purposes, a good strain of hashish is perhaps best, or any refined preparation for that matter.
Here in California our "Medical Cannabis" dispensaries are chock full of strains with amusing names like "Green Crack" and "Blue Ape," etc. Besides this interesting phenomenon, it's now very easy and very legal to grow one's own herb. As soon as I get a proper space, I intend to grow a crop in a Magically consecrated environment, in tune with lunar cycles and such. Little details make all the difference."
ya i dont know if there is even a name for the strain i smoke, maybe i could ask but i dont know, right now in florida its a bit difficult enough to keep a good contact, nonetheless trying to find it locally.
at the moment hashish is a bit expensive for me, including any high quality strain, maybe in the next couple years when they legalize it somewhere it might get cheaper for higher grade strains
, but its doubtful.but anywho, any good tips for meditating on it? the kind i get feels as if it affects are more mental.
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I find that it intensifies whatever I'm experiencing. So if I want to veg out and eat a bunch of food, that's what I'll end up doing (to excess). If I want to do something useful, I set up my "work area" in advance so I can immediately get cracking at it. I have to plan ahead to avoid distractions.
It might be useful to anchor your concentration, with a tarot card for example, and let your mind follow the rabbit hole.
And you want to take good notes, so that you can evaluate your findings in the light of sobriety, and so that if you do learn something useful, it's not just lost to forgetfulness.
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For those interested
there is a little book on the market called Cannabis Spirituality by Stephen Gaskin. I have inherited a few libraries (I help people with estates) and got this from one of them.Not very deep or profound but seems to have good information on meditation, guidlines, things to look out for, children.....13 guidelines for sanity and safety.
I have expierenced a vision like the one you stated about the Matrix, I was not on drugs, but had been recovering from an illness. It was the most fascinating thing I have ever seen for it was as if I was watching the fabric of time and space weave reality right before my eyes, line by line, very similiar to computer code. This was before I had seen the movie too.
Smoking is a very sacred act, and can inhance our lives on so many levels. I am planning on holding a pipe ceremony at my home this spring as well as an Inepi (Sp?? sweat lodge). I am very much looking forward to this as my mentor in the Wolf Clan is moving and this will be our last time together for a while.
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"This 'matrix' thingy that you both see... thinking about it - like the air moving all multicoloured and swirly? Usually seen in low light conditions? Purple aura's around tree's at dusk?"
no, i know what you are refering too which ive experienced to an extent, but that is something else.
by meaning of 'matrix', if you havent watched the first movie, its look s alot like a transparent bubble rippling through reality, but expanding and then contracting, like also when neo fly's he kneels and reality 'bends' into ripples, emanating.
check that link out, and you will see what i mean with all the ripples.
(although when under the influence of high, you do tend to perceive more colors)
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"The aura of people on cannabis is usually larger than normal. Expanded. Not early as much as those taking LSD where the hallucination of the 'breathing room' is common - (the room breaths in and out as you do). People have such interesting hallucinations! I've never been able to do it myself. Maybe your matrix experience is a scaled down version of the breathing room experience?"
i hardly see auras, pictures come to me in my mind mentally when a shift in consciousness occurs, but not lucid ones yet anyways.
the closest ive come to yet seeing auras in the white etheric plasma that surrounds the outline of the body, but no colors yet, but dusk and early dawn i can see auras on tree a lil, and most things when the like is dim enough or agaisnt a solid color, but yet just the white stuff, not color yet
.it probly is a scaled down version of the breathing room. as for you not experiencing trippy stuff as such, i dont know how your environment is to see if something could be change might help, but try to get into something natural, mind screwing. with me, im not the type to look of funny videos and or such entertaining things when im high, for me its all about the experience and what i get out of it, and there is A LOT to get out of the mental twilight mind screwing zone .
my setting and general likes accustom to cannabis is, trippsy techno(goa trance, good one here...www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WyINyYRsCI&feature=PlayList&p=7F148ED195E9F6EE&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=46) thats trippy, plus death metal and black metal, (sceptic flesh, Anubis www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdxvCgWxlNY)(and behemoth, at the left hand ov god www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii1SvUK-yCw , lyrics are an invocation of the snake and lion, [abraxas/behemoth])
and ofcourse being outside even if its on your porch or whatever, go into a stare, (i experience the trippy stuff with eyes open mostly, sometimes closed) trippy movies like queen of the damned, incense is good.anything taboo that can part the veils with that shamanic sense of shifting from one way of seeing things to another(self imposed god form?). but feal free to check out the links, even if its not your tatste im your you will get the picture.
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For those of you on your "Vision Quest":
"By doing certain things certain results will follow; students are most earnestly warned against attributing objective reality or philosophic validity to any of them."
Obviously, when one ingests any sort of mind-altering substance, various spatial distortions/cosmic thingamabobs/visions/little green men wil manifest. What of it? Such things, in the last estimate, are little more than distractions upon the path. Instead of "whoa, what are all these pretty lights?!?!" the questions should really be: "How does this impact my Will?" "How does this substance allow me to realize my Will?" I've seen too many people get all google-eyed about their visions and wind up in the nut house.
While it is good for the young to experiment with their minds and bodies, there is a time to play, and a time to get down to business. Sure, it's fun to get stoned; I do it all the time. But it's important not to lose sight of one's true objective. Cannabis is a tool and a means, not an end in itself.
"I used to do Heroin (was addicted for years) and I found that the point in which one "nods" is an amazing aid for Meditation. I, of course, do not condone this nor am I telling anyone to go out and get opiates, I am just stating my opinion from what I know. I could see why Crowley used it so often with his followers at The Abbey. "
When I was stuck in purgatory (rehabilitation) there was this orange-clad monk who would come to class on Tuesdays. Those who stayed for meditation would get extra credit. So there I'd be, high on oxycotin, like one of those bobble toys on the dashboard--bob, bob, bob.
Sure, it helps with meditation--until you run out, that is. Opiate withdrawals are the worst feeling I've ever experienced. In the end, meditation is best accomplished straight and sober.Anybody here read "Diary of a Drug Fiend"? It's important, when taking any substance, to act in accordance with one's Will.
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I've found that cannabis is only useful for meditation when you haven't had it for a while.
As soon as you get into the "stoner's" way of life (e.g. number one sign: putting one together first thing upon waking
) then cannabis is TERRIBLE for meditation, really, really counterproductive. As tolerance sets in, and your body is awash with cannabinoids, the background feeling becomes the very opposite of the alertness and vibrancy required for meditation. Also, one becomes very lazy and procrastinating, which is a *generally *bad thing for a magician. You get great ideas, but you never put them - or any other ideas, for that matter - into practice. At best, it's possible to *function *in life as a "stoner", but that's really scraping the barrel of what's possible for a life.But in that "first flush" - for a few days, maybe - yes, I think it can be a very powerful aid, just as AC puts it in that extraordinary essay.
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My expierence of this matrix could be likened to being inside of a waterfall. There was depth, as if the air it self was getting thicker, mulitdemnsional . There was also a sensation of atoms condensing/ coelessing as they decended into the gravitational pull, and other atoms/molecules shifting around, sort of like that old computer game with the falling blocks that need to be fit together.
I tried to take the best advantage of the situation, I had thet feeling that at this moment I was very clearly at the point in which I could bring tangible changes to my life. I focused my intent upon what it was that I wanted to bring into my world, and it worked. I have attempted to regain this vision a few other times, with much less of a degree of sucess but seem to be able to shift close to it when I can have a significant period of quiet. I like to think that at this time, I am in a very real way walking between the worlds, and can access my dna to bring about changes in my physcial being. -
I'm pretty ambivalent about it. I find that cannabis is great for bringing peripheral cognitive processes into the foreground, which sounds like it would be a good adjunct for meditation, except that it's much easier to get distracted by this and lose track of the plot than it is in a sober, centered meditative state.
I am frequently left with the impression that my conceptual horizon is greatly expanded on cannabis but it saps me of the energy required to actually explore it.
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I highly recommend we first define what we mean by "meditation" in this case.
Do we mean mindless wanderings or the singular focus of willed thought?
In the first case, sure - smoke it if you got it.
In the second case, it could prove a useful distraction for training purposes but after it becomes habit, we have other questions to raise. "Who" or "what" is doing the meditating? -
@gurugeorge said
"I've found that cannabis is only useful for meditation when you haven't had it for a while.
As soon as you get into the "stoner's" way of life (e.g. number one sign: putting one together first thing upon waking
) then cannabis is TERRIBLE for meditation, really, really counterproductive. As tolerance sets in, and your body is awash with cannabinoids, the background feeling becomes the very opposite of the alertness and vibrancy required for meditation. Also, one becomes very lazy and procrastinating, which is a *generally *bad thing for a magician. You get great ideas, but you never put them - or any other ideas, for that matter - into practice. At best, it's possible to *function *in life as a "stoner", but that's really scraping the barrel of what's possible for a life.But in that "first flush" - for a few days, maybe - yes, I think it can be a very powerful aid, just as AC puts it in that extraordinary essay."
The great thing about pot is that it makes one very passive and receptive; the bad thing about pot is that it makes one very passive and receptive.
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@Alrah said
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@gurugeorge said
"I've found that cannabis is only useful for meditation when you haven't had it for a while.As soon as you get into the "stoner's" way of life (e.g. number one sign: putting one together first thing upon waking
) then cannabis is TERRIBLE for meditation, really, really counterproductive. As tolerance sets in, and your body is awash with cannabinoids, the background feeling becomes the very opposite of the alertness and vibrancy required for meditation. Also, one becomes very lazy and procrastinating, which is a *generally *bad thing for a magician. You get great ideas, but you never put them - or any other ideas, for that matter - into practice. At best, it's possible to *function *in life as a "stoner", but that's really scraping the barrel of what's possible for a life.But in that "first flush" - for a few days, maybe - yes, I think it can be a very powerful aid, just as AC puts it in that extraordinary essay."
Oh, come on! The work of stoners is everywhere. The work of the best plasterers and decorators is done by stoners. Do you think that people do these kind of mundane boring jobs for very long if they don't smoke? At least that way they can become 'one with the plaster'.
And what about all the music that's been produced?"You see, I think drugs have done some good things for us. I really do. And if you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor. Go home tonight. Take all your albums, all your tapes and all your CDs and burn them. 'Cause you know what, the musicians that made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years were rrreal {shagging} high on drugs. The Beatles were so {shagging} high they let Ringo sing a few tunes." - Bill Hicks."
I'm not arguing against cannabis, or denying its benefits, I'm saying that it's counter-productive for meditation to get into the *habit *of it. You could have quoted me chillum-smokin' Hindu naga babas, and I would still have said the same thing
Interspersed with breaks - yes. Continuously - no.