Most interesting thing seen during a ritual
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Now, we who deal in theurgy commonly experience different paradigms of reality that the lady at the checkout stand would gasp at. Whats the most paranormal thing you've seen VISUALLY i.e. with just your bare eyes, no "astral perception" involved. I'm curious because I myself have seen some pretty eye opening things, and I also read L. Milo Duquettes "My Life with the Spirits" where he details some pretty awesome encounters during rituals.
GO!
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I have experienced some strange sensory perceptions during ritual and meditation. I dont think "seeing" is the only way we expierence phenomenum. I have smelled things (like my mums perfume and flowers) and felt my skin being touched in a loving way. I have also heard sounds and talking some I can place and some that I know are some language but I cant place.
I have only been to two group rituals in my life, both Druid ceremonies. At the Samhain celebration the Bard was reciting the epic poem The Highway Man, and I saw in the smoke many different faces and animals (Horse and Eagle). BTW I am always sober and dont take drugs.
I am usually very skeptical about things, as I know our brain can easily trick us. I can relate a story not in ritual, in which I saw black lights, movin around me in the midnight air out side my home. It was new moon, and dark dark dark, yet I saw a very real moving collection of orb like shapes, darker then the night. They moved about my being, and then went to a certain garden in my yard. I was very moved by this expierence, and was led to a mystery of a young boy who killed himself in the spot of the garden. Very sad. We performed some rituals for him and have never expierenced it again.Those are the only things I have seen, yet I do believe our eyes maybe our weakest sense.
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Childing for the Mass, lots of visual distortions: things going black and white, melting faces, faces morphing into Saints during the collects etc.
A week ago, I was burning a bunch of old cakes of light (I had made too many a while back, which I had stored in my fridge, and something told me to just burn the lot of them). I had made them when I was in the middle of an ordeal, and I think maybe they were storing a lot of my negative energy from the time. So I burnt them in an impromptu ritual, without really thinking about it all. And as the last one burned up, there was a quiet 'scream' that came from the fireplace. My wife and I both heard it, and thought it was our cat. But she was safe and sound in the bedroom. My mind went to the cakes and I asked myself if that was the 'evil' in my life (I'd been feeling very cursed for the last 7 months) being cast out. Immediately, the TV, which had been on silently in the background displayed (as part of a car commercial) "The spell has been broken".
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All sorts of little things - would probably have to dig through diaries to get anything way bizarre. It's not unusual, especially in the beginning, to get all sorts of poltergeist phenomena. Candles exploding on cue when responses are called for, things tipping over when there's no one near them. I once had a locked door of my temple open and slam shut when there was no one else in the house and the outside doors were dead-bolted. An occasion of personal levitation probably counts in this category.
But the wierdest one that comes to mind was not exactly physically seen at the time, but probably fits what you're asking about. During a ceremony for accepting a particular A.'.A.'. grade, just as I was signing the oath I heard my pager go off in the other room. When I checked later, it was a wrong number, inherently meaningless, except the three-digit prefix was the numeration of the motto I had just accepted, and the other four digits were two numbers basic to the Sephirah involved. Some kind of "high 5 of the gods," it seemed at the time.
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I cant realy say much has happend in the rituals themselves. for some reason alot of phenomena happens outside of the ritual for me. for example, a few years ago i did a ritual to banish a very old vampiric spirit, mean little person who was messing with me and my wife( at the same time other spirits/witches/and dieties messing with us all at once), after i completed the ritual around 4 O'clock in the morning it immediately started raining, other times i have witnessed my wife and other ppl in other locations at the time cast symbols in the sky through storm clouds, one of which was a huge raven in the sky with blackend clouds and winds going crazy, one of my friends and his coven created one of the 3 hurricanes back in 2003 that hit and criss-crossed florida, so i could say ive experienced alot of weather magick and phenomena, my wife can make the most beautiful sky's at sundown.
also has anyone seen alot of shadow ppl? those black figures, harmless they are, but swiftly move past your periphial vision, ive seen them a couple times come out of the moon in the sky and fly across it, weird.
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On several occasions the lights in my cabin have shuddered at the exact end of the LBRP. Certain other phenomena exist in the forest where I live, but I prefer to mind my own business when it comes to the spirit world.
Unless I have some specific reason to deal with them, I try to keep my space free of all entities and spirit. The canyon where I live has a rather dark history, so it's been important as of late to maintain psychic cleanliness.
A spooky story:
A friend of mine and I were passing through Utah once, late in the night and awash in wilderness. We came upon the Piyute Reservation and decided to camp by a half-frozen lake beneath the mountains. There was nobody for miles in every direction, just the occasional light by the highway in the distance. The lake was vast, and a full moon was half-obscured by clouds over it. Creepy scene indeed.
So we part and set about gathering firewood. Several strange and very ominous bucks stared at us from the bushes, as we set up camp by the edge of the lake. Our cats, who usually danced about after a long day in the car, refused to leave its confines. I had a really bad feeling, but we were tired and wanted rest, so we huddled down next to the fire. As soon as it started dying down we were immediately enveloped by a wave of bad energy. I had stark, vivid visions of goblin-like creatures threatening me with maelevolence. We took our cue, and loaded up the car. Before leaving I pronouned my apologies to the spirits of the lake, and made clear the purity of our intent.
Later, we discovered that entire tribes had been massacred at that very lake during the western expansion.
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Cats are sensitive, aren't they? Once I was reading a copy of Morals and Dogma that seemed to have it's own little guardian attached. I started getting an ominous, somebody is watching you, vibe. My wife awoke from her sleep in the other room to the sight of a specter coming in the window and screamed.
The cat would not come into the bedroom until I finally came to my senses and did a full banishing 2 days later.
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@AvshalomBinyamin said
"Cats are sensitive, aren't they? Once I was reading a copy of Morals and Dogma that seemed to have it's own little guardian attached. I started getting an ominous, somebody is watching you, vibe. My wife awoke from her sleep in the other room to the sight of a specter coming in the window and screamed.
The cat would not come into the bedroom until I finally came to my senses and did a full banishing 2 days later."
Oh, yes! My last cats were little spirit-ometers.
Whenever anything weird was around they would get very spaced out, and have this other-worldy look in their eyes. Very handy to have around. And they were black cats; I think there's a reason black cats have a magical reputation.
Unfortunately both of them were abducted/killed in the recent months.
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Cats react to attention as if it is sunlight. (Take that one observation into your relationship with your cat, and see if it doesn't explain a few hundred things.)
Cats detect spirits of all kinds. They hang around talismans, I Ching coins, and dirty underwear with approximately the same level of dedication. And they definitely notice things that are moving in a room!
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Cool stories. Here's one of mine. One time 3 friends and myself were all walking through a dark forest close to midnight. We had just done a ritual that my friend had pulled from the Necronomicon ( i KNOW, we were young and actually believed in the mad arab). So we are walking deep into the forest and I'm hanging back with one friend chatting. I look up ahead and see not 2 but three people. I say to my friend, "Who's up there with C and J?" My friend says, "Who? I don't see anyone." I start to run towards them and as i do this entity turns around and looks at me. I go, "Stop! Who is that?!" My friend goes, "Oh, he let you see him huh." I walk up to this entity and it looked like smoky plasma. I stared into its face and it made a big smile, to which I didnt respond. I DID respond though when it changed its appearance and made itself look just like me; thats when I stepped back and moved away slowly.
Nor ritual involved on this one, but maybe worth mentioning:
Another time my younger brother and I went out into a baseball field near midnight because he wanted to experiment with salvia. I was his sitter and didn't use it but watched him as he inhaled. Pretty soon he started talking, saying, "They're cooooooming" I looked to my right and saw what looked like two candles floating EYE distance apart, moving towards us through the trees. I thought, "WTF, How am I seeing this and he's the one tripping." A tall shadow being stepped from the end of the trees into plain view on the baseball diamond. It had a bulbous head and large glowing red eyes with light that streamed off of them as if i was squinting. My brother says, "They took control of my legs." and he can't move.
So this being is moving towards, hovering across the ground actually at a nice slow pace and I pick my brother up and start dragging him backwards across the diamond as I yell at this being to stop. It's not responding so, me being a christian at the time I yell, "I command you in the name of jesus!" and it stops..but only for about 10 seconds. FINALLY, I get to my car and shove my limp brother inside and tear away feeling completely full of fear not knowing wtf just happened.
cool stories people!
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I could fill a book on this one - which I guess I have via the diary. Anyway here are a few of the more common/notable things:
'Critters' lurking about outside the Circle during the ritual.
Visions past the Column of other worlds through the 'mist'.
Candles snuffing for no reason - no breezes or defective candles.
Visions that have a similar feel to memories, of myself doing the ritual in another time and place, not during this incarnation though.
Encountering angry guardians/watchers upon approaching certain Gates.
The first conversation with a Spirit was pretty freaky.
Performing a ritual during a lucid dream, discovered my Astral voice and lots of other arcana.
One time when the tablets opened everything I looked at seemed as if it was made with glowing Enochian script.
A cluster of mushrooms (not the good kind though) grew at the base of a tree stump I was using as an altar during a Solstice ritual.
During a certain candle meditation I looked up and saw my shade sitting across the table completing a symmetry arrangement, which was unexpected. -
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Firstly, I need to say that one ought not dabble in enochian magick unless they are prepared for their lives to go upside down. I had just taken my first degree in the OTO and some of the initiates and myself wanted to trying scrying the 30th Aethyr. We wen to the deputy body master's house where an altar with lamens had been set up and their was a crystal ball neatly placed in the center. I banished by star ruby and volunteered to be the first "seerer." Two people Aumed while the other two chanted the letters from the table of practice. I became aware that we were not alone suddenly and saw HUGE shadows looking into the windows of the house. I started to say the call of the 30th Aethyr, "Madariatza das perifa TEX.." Suddenly the room lit up in a brilliant light which focused into a beam in the center of my forehead. We each heard speaking and murmuring in the Enochian tongue and all heard the words "not ready" in english. We recorded our visions, and after the final banishing the shadows moved away from the windows.
I have never had so much phenomena occur during a ritual. We were all amateurs and had amateur visions more or less a flash in the pan. What happened karmically is hard to describe: a magician's best friend committed suicide, my recent exgf had an abortion of my child (by the way they said they would need to have a sacrafice so that I "would not by lost"), another magician had a roommate who was as perceptive as a brick complain of scary angels in his room, and the deputy body master gradually lost his grip on reality.
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Well TheSilent1, I would recommend people not 'dabble' with any magick, and Enochian is indeed very potent. Other than using the elemental tablets for regular rituals, my policy has been to defer Enoochian until after K&C, much as is recommended for Goetia. It is very potent, and without fortification I could see how one could easily become a tasty snack for the universe.
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@Iugum said
"Eh, I don't know about that one. Cat's have very strong sense's, a lot stronger than human beings ("cats' hearing range (in Hz) is 45 to 64,000, compared to 64-23,000 in humans. This means that cats can hear sounds we can't hear on both ends of the spectrum, particularly the higher end" and "A domestic cat's sense of smell is about fourteen times as strong as a human's."), same goes for dogs. I believe they are just reacting to stuff we can't hear/smell/see but it isn't anything "paranormal". My dogs will sit in corners of the room after Rituals in places they never goto (under the couch like he is hiding, running to rooms far away, barking, etc) I chalk it up to incense irritation or due to my "enthusiastic behavior" while doing Invocations and Evocations which probably looks, to them, as if I am mad about something."
This seems an exceedingly mechanistic view for a ceremonial magician, I'm surprised you perform rituals at all.
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@v0rtex666 said
"Well TheSilent1, I would recommend people not 'dabble' with any magick, and Enochian is indeed very potent. Other than using the elemental tablets for regular rituals, my policy has been to defer Enoochian until after K&C, much as is recommended for Goetia. It is very potent, and without fortification I could see how one could easily become a tasty snack for the universe."
Important word in your point is "dabble," I have actually had a great deal of success in goetia and scrying the Tablets recently. Though I do not claim K&C, doing that particular type of work opened me up to deeper levels of understanding of my HGA as well as giving me more drive to strengthen the link. One should not dabble most of all with their K&C, that will has more adverse effects than anything else. Think about the work of the Neophyte: the ability to rise to any sphere and become god therein, that would also apply to works of evocation as well. If the magician knows how to and becomes the god of ANY sphere the ALL spirits of the -particular sphere of working will be at his will and not the other way around.
It is not unusual for Probationers to work with the Tablets or practice Goetia, even if just to understand how the tools work so that when need arises they may be implemented correctly. The folly exists with those individuals who become obsessed with the Siddhis and lose sight of the source.
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Too much...without any ritual...
Worst/best was getting a fireball in the face...ouch
I played around with a very colourful portal aswell for while
Pinging and banging sounds in the walls of wherever I go.
I got so scared of them once that I went into a church to see if they'd stop and the walls around me were cracking like nobodies business! I would imagine an extremely white light all around me with immense concentration to stop them...but I could only hold that concentration for a few seconds...when I would burn out they would come back louder.Lots more.
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I've been following this thread. It's a cool topic and I just wish I had something interesting to add myself.
But I am curious why it seems that "spooky" stuff seems to come through much more easily than positive vibes. Anyone want to chime in on that?
Is it the matter of the ego getting scared by anything at all, and interpreting it automatically as unpleasant, or do genuinely negative energies lie closer to our waking reality than positive ones? (for example, people will often spot eery shadow people etc. but not comforting beings of light) On a related note, are most of these examples of qlippoth?