The Necronomicon
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True.
All knowledge is a fictional explanation for phenomenal experiences, or at least the content of knowledge at best refers to something Real which may or may not exist.
Even if it does exist, it may or may not actually exist in a way that is expressed via the content of knowledge.
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i am reminded why i don't go to this board much anymore... the general public view is to come up with all the reasons something that doesn't fit Crowley's definition of occultism isn't actually valid. If you read the literature available on where the Necronomicon that was published by Simon came from, it wouldn't be to far a stretch to believe his words. Is believing that it was text written in Greek, supposedly by an arab who followed a pre-Islam brand of magic/occultism that comes from Sumerian and Babylonian rituals so hard?
Personally it's just as feasible and has as much evidence as some British guy who liked to pretend he was a Scottish lord found a manuscript at the market that he decoded and then was put into contact with some "secret chiefs". Actually wait, the Necronomicon sounds more feasible to me.
Ultimately according to the principles of Chaos Magick it doesn't really matter, its the work that important.
Oh and btw, try doing the rituals. Just one. One of the gate walking rituals - exactly as it tells you to do it. Then tell me it isn't valid. I've done them. Exactly as written. More magick and more results than I ever experienced in any Thelemic Mystery School or Order. Ever.
may the spirits of the earth Remember
may the spirits of the air Remember~jonathan
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Are these the only two kind of Spirit's that may Remember?
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@alysa said
"Are these the only two kind of Spirit's that may Remember?"
its the ones commonly worked with in the Sumerian pantheon hence, the reference to the necronomicon. would it be cooler if i said it in sumerian? ok..
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Oh, interesting to know!
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There is no conflict between any older and younger generations of gods in the original Sumerian mythos. Simon's Necronomicon is based on the later Babylonian mythos Enuma Elish where there is such a conflict indeed, but I don't think it's very wise for a Thelemitic magician who seeks to integrate all parts of his or her being to keep up such a dualist split in his/her psychocosm. No need to keep up such a conflict between our human brain and our reptilian brain - the essence of the Great Work is to integrate them.
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Greetings!
There is a lot of valuable information in the Simon Necronomicon. I think that you can find many answers about the tome at the following website:
www.warlockasylum.wordpress.com
Stay Blessed
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@Ben Reed said
"Greetings!
There is a lot of valuable information in the Simon Necronomicon. I think that you can find many answers about the tome at the following website:
www.warlockasylum.wordpress.com
Stay Blessed"
Yes, I do appreciate all what Warlock Asylum has written on the matter, but I'm afraid that without his directions the beginner could easily get confused. Thanks.
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Sorry for bringing up an old thread but something related to this book happened to me yesterday.
I had to get some stuff from the local pharmacy and the clerk who rung me up had a strange aura about him... something I would call "qliphotic." He look drained and sickly and moved slowly as if he was wading through mud. As he was ringing me up I saw a sigil on his wrist. I impulsively grabbed his wrist asking which spirit it belonged too. (I have been working from the Goetia lately and for some reason I couldn't help myself.) He said the the sigil came from the Simon Necronomicon and belong to Cthl (sorry i don't even like writing the names of those beings). I then proceeded to "reprimand" him for doing something so spiritually irresponsible (It was more like listening to someone else reprimand him while I watched.). Needless to say, last night I had some really messed up dreams of dark misshapen beings coming into this world seeking to destroy it out of cruel pleasure. Not to mention today the A/C in my car broke and my paycheck was missing about $300. To be affected by something so intensely for me is strange as I have been practicing for a while and have a pretty tough aura to penetrate.
I don't think that it is wise to mess with that book unless you have your knowledge and conversation if at all. I have met one of the individuals involved in the writing of that book (this individual actually all over the occult book world), and is one of the most mean spirited people I have ever encountered.
The title of that infernal book should include: Reader Beware! This SH** Will F*** You Up!
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@TheSilent1 said
"Sorry for bringing up an old thread but something related to this book happened to me yesterday.
I had to get some stuff from the local pharmacy and the clerk who rung me up had a strange aura about him... something I would call "qliphotic." He look drained and sickly and moved slowly as if he was wading through mud. As he was ringing me up I saw a sigil on his wrist. I impulsively grabbed his wrist asking which spirit it belonged too. (I have been working from the Goetia lately and for some reason I couldn't help myself.) He said the the sigil came from the Simon Necronomicon and belong to Cthl (sorry i don't even like writing the names of those beings). I then proceeded to "reprimand" him for doing something so spiritually irresponsible (It was more like listening to someone else reprimand him while I watched.). Needless to say, last night I had some really messed up dreams of dark misshapen beings coming into this world seeking to destroy it out of cruel pleasure. Not to mention today the A/C in my car broke and my paycheck was missing about $300. To be affected by something so intensely for me is strange as I have been practicing for a while and have a pretty tough aura to penetrate.
I don't think that it is wise to mess with that book unless you have your knowledge and conversation if at all. I have met one of the individuals involved in the writing of that book (this individual actually all over the occult book world), and is one of the most mean spirited people I have ever encountered.
The title of that infernal book should include: Reader Beware! This SH** Will F*** You Up!
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How odd..... I dont know much to say about that. But my stepson has Cathulu plushies and for some reason loves that diety.
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@Alias55A said
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How odd..... I dont know much to say about that. But my stepson has Cathulu plushies and for some reason loves that diety."My girlfriend has a Cthl bumper sticker, but it is more of a Lovecraftian joke. I am referring an actual sigil tattooed into an individual's flesh from a book that I know messes up magicians. I have know three magicians who did invocations from that book one is addicted to drugs, another went to Iraq lost his hearing and sanity and is an alcoholic, and a third lost his home and got deported.
Plushies are a far cry from astrally received sigils charged with blood and pain.
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I've found Donal Tyson to be quite adept at merging Qabalistic concepts with the Necronomicon, or vice versa as it were.
He has published at least three books on the subject, one of which I purchased and found to be comnprehensive.
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i aint about to claim to be any kind of expert here,but,i'ld like to share a little tale with you folks and see what you think.
many years ago,during what i like to call "my wasted hardcore punk years",i picked up a copy of the necronomicon for a dollar at some quite lame new age wannabe shop,mainly to mock it,as then i had no belief whatsoever in magick as anything other than some peoples way of bettering themselves through ritual-esque self discipline,and that th possibility of there being "spirits" was just insane.i took it home and forgot about it for at least a week,untill one very drunken night my good friend found it and brought it out.
the first thing we noticed was "the mad arab",which sent us into laughing fits,as my friend was turkish,we immediately dubbed him "the mad turk...kareem shakeyerbooty".many more drinks and joints were enjoyed,and late into the night,we were all palefaced with bacchian joy.
my turkish friend,in this hammered state,picked up the necronomicon,and began reciting from it,dancing very drunk around our coffee table,the rest of us joining in behind him,as he lead the way,enjoying his role as "the mad turk".he must have read at least half the damned book before our stamina gave way to the alcohol,and everyone crashed in my living room untill 7 am the next day,when somehow we all managed to get up in time for work/responsibilities.
i personally had one of the worst days of my life.at every turn things just went WRONG.first,my electric broke down in the apartment,and i couldnt get the landlord to even LOOK at my fuse box which was locked.my then girlfriend called me to tell me she'ld cheated on me with (in my opinion) a far less handsome man than i,and in my typical male-ness i punched the wall and seperated my thumb from my hand about 2 inches backward,which put me out of work for three weeks,as i earned my living as a bass player at the time.
"the mad turk",who worked on a road crew,fell off the back of a truck doing 60 mph,taking most of the skin off his back and buttocks,and on route to hospital,fell over and sprained his shoulder.
another friend who had been with us crashed his car (anyone remember the dodge k-car?...yep..that long ago) into the steel railing on the trans-canada highway...and i quote him.."it was like something just grabbed the f-ing wheel outta my hands dude...i couldnt even see for a moment then bang"
yet another friend who was there started to change personality,becomming an absolute facist dictator to everyone,being violent to his girlfriend,and eventually becomming so horrible to everyone we had no choice but to turn our backs on him after years of friendship.
the bd luck continued for some weeks after,with "the mad turk" getting the worst end of things each time.a short list includes cutting the tip of his finger off at work,having someone sideswipe his brand new half ton and destroy it,burning his goatee half off when a lighter suddenly flared up,and then getting arrested for drunken conduct while being completely sober.
i took that book and tossed it into the atlantic ocean just off the angus l macdonald bridge in halifax,filled with spite and fear.
now,it could be that we just all had bad luck.i'm willing to accept that.but i cant help feeling we made something or someone very very annoyed.
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Wow I'm amazed at the negative experiences people had.
Back when I was younger and still hopelessly clueless, me and a friend decided to stage an experiment with the Necronomicon. I had read the entire thing, and did some thinking on it, read the guide to using it practically and set off. We bought the incense, candles, set up the room. About 15 seconds into reading the text my head started ringing , and my mind became quite strange and I was able to visualize very clearly during this time. At the end of the ritual/experiment my entire body was ringing and I felt a beam of light shining out of my head. All in all it was a very positive experience, since it showed that sitting down at a table and reading a couple of paragraphs can really mess with your head (in a good way). Nothing I asked for actually happened, nothing negative in any way happened to me or my friend, but in the end it was a great experience.
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@izzy_suicide said
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i took that book and tossed it into the atlantic ocean just off the angus l macdonald bridge in halifax,filled with spite and fear.
now,it could be that we just all had bad luck.i'm willing to accept that.but i cant help feeling we made something or someone very very annoyed.
let me know what you folks think,because i could very well indeed just have gotten the shivvers from having a bad week (or six)"Nope, I had an incredible string of bad luck after attempting to sing some of the chants in the book while playing guitar one morning. I remember feeling shivers and hearing a creak in the attic when I was doing it, but it was a Saturday morning and, though I was filled with a creepy feeling I didn't expect, it was rather easy to "get over it" since the day was just dawning. I remember I stopped and put the book away, though. After that, though, a lot of nasty things happened starting right away. The next week I remember having a lot of problems, but not sure what order everything came in. I remember it seemed like my life just fell apart. Everyone around me changed, girlfriend broke up with me... sheez, you know what? It seems like that was the first incident I can remember prior to YEARS of misfortune. I wonder how long it takes to shake off whatever you "get" from playing with that book. I remember for a good 7 years or so after this, feeling a sense of foreboding or dread about bad luck... the steering wheel thing you mention struck a chord with me because I recall coming back from college break to visit my best childhood friend (now a schizophrenic) and he was driving us on this backroad. it was a dirt road elevated a good 30 feet or so with no guardrails and I was just noticing what a freaky road it was that I could see the tops of very tall trees peeking over the street level. If we dropped, it would mean death-- and then, suddenly, the car just did a 360 degree turn and stalled pointing the same direction we were travelling. It seemed to happen very slowly and I know we were travelling very slowly. Black Sabbath was playing on the tape deck and we just sat there in silence for a second, got out and instinctively lit cigarettes and leaned against the hood. "What happened?" I asked, stunned. "I have no idea!" he replied in shock himself. We both felt like something just took the car and spun it. It felt like the same sense of dread and foreboding I remembered before I left that town.
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I joined this forum to write my personal testimony. I deal at experimental stage with the Necronomicon Spellbook of Simon. I have chosen to evocate a spirit that does not bring harm even though the spell reversed with the Law of Threefold Return.
Specifically, During the last year, I've called six times the 32th spirit AGILMA, which brings Rain and Storms. I must notice that, during my summonings, I have never seen the presence or heard the consciousness of spirit Agilma. I just sent my thoughts about what I wanted to happen, I visualized the sound and the image of the Rain.
The interesting thing is that the Spell always Worked! Everytime! After 4-7 hours I always noticed the Rain cometh, no matter what the weather was outside. It's strange. I have record these experiments in my Book of Shadows (I am a Wiccan). If someone else has called AGILMA, I would like to hear his/her experiences.
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@Elorath said
"I joined this forum to write my personal testimony. I deal at experimental stage with the Necronomicon Spellbook of Simon. I have chosen to evocate a spirit that does not bring harm even though the spell reversed with the Law of Threefold Return.
Specifically, During the last year, I've called six times the 32th spirit AGILMA, which brings Rain and Storms. I must notice that, during my summonings, I have never seen the presence or heard the consciousness of spirit Agilma. I just sent my thoughts about what I wanted to happen, I visualized the sound and the image of the Rain.
The interesting thing is that the Spell always Worked! Everytime! After 4-7 hours I always noticed the Rain cometh, no matter what the weather was outside. It's strange. I have record these experiments in my Book of Shadows (I am a Wiccan). If someone else has called AGILMA, I would like to hear his/her experiences."
I believe the FBI would be interested in talking with you about what you did to Indiana
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From what I have heard and been told and seen:
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@Elorath said
"The interesting thing is that the Spell always Worked! Everytime!"
Oh, please. Move to a region that gets on average one or two rainfalls per year and then do this spell fifty times a year. Let's see what happens then.
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The law of diminishing returns could work out very badly when evoking a spirit with 30 teeth. Sorry couldn't resist.
