Music and Qabalah
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@AvshalomBinyamin said
"When in reality, are we just training ourselves to learn correspondences in order to give our unconscious greater methods of communication with us?"
That's certainly there, but perhaps only as "icing on the cake." At the very least, using the system under discussion leverages a objective relationship between rising auditory pitch and rising optical vibration rate so that, even if "starting point alignment" ultimately appears as arbitrary, the relative changes are using two different sense channels for a single idea.
Thus, when one chants Gabriel (G B R Y A L) as Gah-Ab-Ree-Ee-Ay-El (one even syllable per letter), visualizing Blue, Yellow, Orange, Yellow-Green, Yellow, Green, while hitting each syllable on G#, E, D, F, E, F#, the color changes and sound changes parallel each other.
But there is also some indication that the "starting point alignment" is good. That's a long story, and I'd have to look stuff up to document it.
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@JPF said
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"Has anybody brought the Qabalah into correspondence with Music?"So, as I can see it: 7 musical Tones (A B C D E F G)=Seven Classical Planets
12 Musical Keys=The 12 signs of the Zodiac
The question remains: which Tones relate to which Planet? Which Key to which Signs?
Thoughts?"
The Greeks attributed the seven planets to the seven modes, & the twelve zodiac signs to the chromatic scale. The 4 elements are represented on the octave ranges of bass, tenor, alto, & soprano.
This site might be of interest to you:
www.cs.utk.edu/~Mclennan/BA/GEM/index.html
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@Arsihsis said
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The Greeks attributed the seven planets to the seven modes, & the twelve zodiac signs to the chromatic scale. The 4 elements are represented on the octave ranges of bass, tenor, alto, & soprano."Now we're talking! Thank you ever so much.
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@JPF said
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@Arsihsis said
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The Greeks attributed the seven planets to the seven modes, & the twelve zodiac signs to the chromatic scale. The 4 elements are represented on the octave ranges of bass, tenor, alto, & soprano."Now we're talking! Thank you ever so much."
You might be interested in the method of 'chance Tarot' music I use. I got the idea from John Cage's musical experiments with the I Ching.
If you remove the Trumps & court cards from from a Tarot deck you are left with 36 decan cards that have attributed them a sign, planet, suit, & number. I use these as an indication to the key, mode, octave, & time signature in which I play. I also use the title of the card as an indication to the 'mood' or 'direction' of the music.
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@Arsihsis said
"You might be interested in the method of 'chance Tarot' music I use. I got the idea from John Cage's musical experiments with the I Ching.
If you remove the Trumps & court cards from from a Tarot deck you are left with 36 decan cards that have attributed them a sign, planet, suit, & number. I use these as an indication to the key, mode, octave, & time signature in which I play. I also use the title of the card as an indication to the 'mood' or 'direction' of the music."
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. A simple, organic method of Occult Composition.
I can see it now: "The Hanged Man Symphony, Op. 93, K666"
Speaking of which, Mozart's "Jupiter Symphony" is an excellent example of this kind of composition. The energy it evokes is--well, Jupiterian!
Thanks again!
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This has been an intriguing subject for me for some time, as I believe that the universe is composed of sound (the music of the spheres).
A few years ago, there was a discovery of musical notes encoded in the famous Templar, Rosslyn Chapel, using a system called Cymatics.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy2Dg-ncWoY
www.crystalinks.com/cymatics.html
www.crystalinks.com/stuart07.html
www.cropcirclesecrets.org/crop_circles_sound.html
www.aniwilliams.com/geometry_music_healing.htmEnjoy!
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@Arsihsis said
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@JPF said
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@Arsihsis said
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The Greeks attributed the seven planets to the seven modes, & the twelve zodiac signs to the chromatic scale. The 4 elements are represented on the octave ranges of bass, tenor, alto, & soprano."Now we're talking! Thank you ever so much."
You might be interested in the method of 'chance Tarot' music I use. I got the idea from John Cage's musical experiments with the I Ching.
If you remove the Trumps & court cards from from a Tarot deck you are left with 36 decan cards that have attributed them a sign, planet, suit, & number. I use these as an indication to the key, mode, octave, & time signature in which I play. I also use the title of the card as an indication to the 'mood' or 'direction' of the music.
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Can you give a quick example?
I see that the mode would correspond to one of the seven planets (which mode to which planet?); The sign, to the key (again, what's the correspondence?); suit = octave (bass, alto, tenor, soprano = which octave to which suit?); number is time signature(how do figure that?); the tile = mood(O.K.).
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@nderabloodredsky said
"I see that the mode would correspond to one of the seven planets (which mode to which planet?)"
Sol = Dorian (modern Phrygian)
Luna = Hypodorian (modern Aeolian)
Mercury = Hypophrygian (modern Locrian)
Venus = Hypolydian (modern Ionian)
Jupiter = Lydian
Saturn = Mixolydian (modern Iocrian)@nderabloodredsky said
"The sign, to the key (again, what's the correspondence?)"
Aries - Pisces = C - B
@nderabloodredsky said
"suit = octave (bass, alto, tenor, soprano = which octave to which suit?)"
Pantacles = bass
Swords = alto
Cups = tenor
Wands = soprano@nderabloodredsky said
"number is time signature(how do figure that?)"
2 = 2/4
3 = 3/4
4 = 4/4
5 = 5/4
6 = 6/8
7 = 7/8
9 = 9/8
10 = 10/8729
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@JPF said
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"Has anybody brought the Qabalah into correspondence with Music?"So, as I can see it: 7 musical Tones (A B C D E F G)=Seven Classical Planets
12 Musical Keys=The 12 signs of the Zodiac
The question remains: which Tones relate to which Planet? Which Key to which Signs?
Thoughts?"
While pondering this post I came across a book by Corinne Heline called the Cosmic Harp. It relates the solar system and the zodiac to musical notes and composers of the early 20th century. It's an old book copyright by J.F. Rowny Press, but perhaps you can find a copy. Quite an interesting read along this train of thought.
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Cool link, and an interesting discussion-thanks. I'm curious as to how the correspondences were developed/discovered. The system I normally see used (and I haven't seen Case's, but I assume it's the same) came from Allen Bennett's notes, or so I've read. Does anyone know any further history or rationale?
Thanks!
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the german composer Karlhienze Stockhousen has developed a system that he says is alot like the music from the "beings" in the Sirius star system, which he says he visits from time to time LOL. You might want to check his music out, it's pretty crazy stuff! I think he also wrote a book about his theories, but I cant say for sure.
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there's a book I got a while ago by RJ (??) Stewart on music and relating chord changes (or tone interval changes I guess) to the tree of life, etc.
Read it way before I had any real knowledge on the qabalah, but even so, I thought it was a little loopy. I think it places kether and malkulth as the same note, different octaves, and the sephiroth are the intervals; tiphereth may be a fifth or something like that.
Don't know much about the author but I know he's influenced by the GD system and is British.
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I found this today via facebook:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkWzNdExB-o&feature=related"Pythagorean Tone Generator This musical instrument generates Pythagorean notes that the human voice and modern musical instruments cannot duplicate. When seen on an osciloscope, each note is a perfect circle instead of a sawtooth pattern as with our musical scale. Pythagoras believed these notes represented the universal Music of the Spheres and had transformative properties for matter or the bodies of people at lower frequencies of manifestation. Each note produces the esoteric sound corresponding to each chakra point and the instrument is used to stimulate and purify the chakras in the body. The notes are designated by the corresponding archetypal planetary symbol for use in alchemical meditations and experiments. Each note produced by these custom made chimes is based on precise mathematical proportions known as Pythagorean tuning.
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i do hope it's not a problem to bring up an old thread. i have created a piece of music based upon the discussion and knowledge on this thread. many thanks to you all, and perhaps some of you might find this of interest:
oundcloud.com/brian-conniffe/venusian -
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From a Golden Dawn perspective the following blog posts may be found helpful. The material relates to several RR et AC papers on such topics as the Table of Shewbread, the Seven Branched Candlestick, Ritual of the Heptagram, Scrying and Traveling, etc.
Sounds are associated with colours. Aspects of the harmonics scheme are associated with a species of after-ring or echoing quality of the instrument that extends forth after playing the tone note. There are two different colour schemes for the harmonics of each note. The Scales are associated with modes but I was only able to utilize the 4 mentioned in the text I have, rather than promote conjecture with my weak knowledge of music theory. I wish I knew more of music proper but I do what I can with what I've got.
lightofagoldenday.blogspot.com/2012/09/harmonics.html
lightofagoldenday.blogspot.com/2012/09/modes.html
lightofagoldenday.blogspot.com/2012/09/harmonics-from-another-angle.html
If the colour schemes are of interest, you can work backwards from the front of the blog or start with the post on the *12 Sons of Jacob *and work forward. There are some explanations of aspects of the Queen Scale Path colours and the King Scale Sefirotic colours that might be found of interest.
lightofagoldenday.blogspot.com/2012/09/colour-schemes-12-sons-of-jacob.html
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Dennis (Olen) -
SO GLAD I DECIDED TO READ THIS THREAD!
Unfortunately I have been unable to find my book about the science of music, if I recall correctly..
The notes are drawn from the range of a geometric spiral of harmonic tones.
They are arbitrary as far as what one chooses as the initial note.
At least, that is what I gathered.
I have not looked at it in a long time...bdc, if you could make more of those... that would be awesome!
I SO want to make a ritual to Venus just to have a reason to play this in the background@Jim Eshelman said
"Thus, when one chants Gabriel (G B R Y A L) as Gah-Ab-Ree-Ee-Ay-El (one even syllable per letter), visualizing Blue, Yellow, Orange, Yellow-Green, Yellow, Green, while hitting each syllable on G#, E, D, F, E, F#, the color changes and sound changes parallel each other. "
So, should the Gimel be visualized as blue or visualized on a blue background or some other option of your choosing?
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There´s things in this post that deserve to be looked more closed. I´ll know about Coil band, and others of this style, that they experimented things in similars ways to the mentioned in here (maybe it´s commented already, I´ve not read the entire thread).
I´m a musician too, I have already a more rock band standart project for the postapocaliptical cult Universal Joke, but now I´ve started this other one, more "limitless", electronic, experimental or whatever. It´s opened to collaborations, so if anyone in here want to try, you can send me a email and talk about it <!-- e --><a href="mailto:universaljoke11@gmail.com">universaljoke11@gmail.com</a><!-- e -->
I take it paciently, by this moment there´s only this two demo songs that I did recently. Please listen to it with good headphones or similars, to a good volume:
oundcloud.com/universaljoke/winter-is-cumming
oundcloud.com/universaljoke/gang-rape
The project it´s called "God have a beatiful plan for you", which is such a black joke, most of the songs will be thinked to represent several accidents or fucked up things that can happened to one in life.
