Good or Evil
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@Qemuel said
" why would destiny(True Will) allow the whole world to be blown to smithereens? to the extent that even the atmosphere would not survive. Would that not go against all that The Spirit has achieved? "
I think you understood my point.
@Qemuel said
" I do not think u understand what destiny is, and it sounds more like your babbling. "
You attack me by saying that I am babbling when you did not even take a second to determine or even think about the wisdom of this.
@Qemuel said
" You can NOT be in the flesh and be in the spirit at the same time. "
Then what are you know?
Is it easier to say that now you are in a lower vibration and when immortal in a higher vibration?
@Qemuel said
" flesh is carnal. and if sum1's goal iz to become spiritual to gain immoratlity....than he haz already failed. "
The goal is spirituality… the result is immortality, some may call it other things or some may say that you return to that which is, although I dont think we learned all this just to be one thing in the end.
@Qemuel said
" Mankind doez not move unless they r forced to move...stubborn people. for mankind to change, something has to occur for manknid to want to change. "
I agree with this. Something has to accur to each indivitual for him to what to change.
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@fnewburn4236 said
"I do believe that we may both need to meditate on this.Sometimes understanding can not be explained with logic.
"do not speak for me
i believe u do need to meditate on this"
You again attack without thinking about it. I offered you a piece offering and you decided to war with me when we seem to agree. I seem to find no logic in this and will not reply to any more attacks from you.
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@fnewburn4236 said
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@Qemuel said
" why would destiny(True Will) allow the whole world to be blown to smithereens? to the extent that even the atmosphere would not survive. Would that not go against all that The Spirit has achieved? "I think you understood my point."
it is you who does not understand
i referrenced fire on purpose, what happeneds when a forrest burns down?
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@fnewburn4236 said
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@Qemuel said
" I do not think u understand what destiny is, and it sounds more like your babbling. "
You attack me by saying that I am babbling when you did not even take a second to determine or even think about the wisdom of this.
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what wisdom have u spoken? i still see nothing but babbling from u
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@fnewburn4236 said
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@Qemuel said
" You can NOT be in the flesh and be in the spirit at the same time. "
Then what are you know?"
do u truely not know the difference between flesh and your body? flesh iz the way ur acting now, ur in emotion, like a hurt child
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@fnewburn4236 said
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You again attack without thinking about it. I offered you a piece offering and you decided to war with me when we seem to agree. I seem to find no logic in this and will not reply to any more attacks from you."War is a beautiful thing. War is what I love, almost as much as I love Hate.
u r welcome to put me on ignore, i would perfer it
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@Alrah said
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Oh - so you've already been in a war zone. Did you kill anyone? Tell me - from your own experience - why do you think War is a beautiful thing? Bodies being blown to smitherines. Children mutilated by bombs. Lots of stress and smoke and sorrow. Where is the beauty in that? What is there to love in that?"
Yes, I have killed people.
My own experence? I found out that I wish not to fight another man's war. That war should be conducted for what you believe in. And there are many types of war, war fought in the hearts of man, war over words, war over love, war with weapons, war with spirit.
People die in war, that is how war is conducted. Even in a self war....you die...to who you were.
Why would I not think war is beautiful? War is powerfull, War is gruesome, War is destructive, things I value.
Your point of view is that of wanting peace, but did you not know, the only way to achive peace is to have war to get to the final product? If one wants peace, they have to make war to achieve it.
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@Alrah said
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@Qemuel said
"Your point of view is that of wanting peace, but did you not know, the only way to achive peace is to have war to get to the final product? If one wants peace, they have to make war to achieve it."If you want peace then you have to BE peace."
the world, society, the lies that you were told, they forbid you to be at peace
if you knew peace, your body itself would not be able to handle it, you would be "Holy"
Peace is only awarded after a long fought battle, there can not be peace unless a war took place before.
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@Alrah said
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I see no-one forbidding me peace. Here I am, in my small warm flat with a spectacular view outside. Snow is carpeting the world with white, and the sun and shadow dapples it yellow and blue. My birds are fed. And I'm happily eating my lunch with a cup of chamomile tea. There is no war here, except those created by the shadows of your own mind, and only you can see those."
if i lived in such a shallow world as u....i guess i would have peace as well
how doez it feel though
to be so blind....not even too notice the stringz that puppet u?
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@Alrah said
"Do you imagine that you're confronting me?
"i imagine u [sp]....as a scared....lost...little child....a child that sufferz [sp] from a delusion where u have something figured out...a child that believez [sp] they r [sp] big inspite the factz [sp] of the world around them.
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93,
Qemuel wrote:
"to be so blind....not even too notice the stringz that puppet u?"
None of us are puppets. We are enacting our wills. In many instances, we don't see what it is we're doing, or see the whole of it, so we create the illusion that we are puppets of powerful forces.
But it is an illusion we're in, if we believe such things to be true. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law .. for there isn't anything else to 'obey.'
93 93/93,
Edward
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@Edward Mason said
"93,
Qemuel wrote:
"to be so blind....not even too notice the stringz that puppet u?"
None of us are puppets. We are enacting our wills. In many instances, we don't see what it is we're doing, or see the whole of it, so we create the illusion that we are puppets of powerful forces.
But it is an illusion we're in, if we believe such things to be true. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law .. for there isn't anything else to 'obey.'
93 93/93,
Edward"
sum1 [sp] iz [sp] alwayz [sp] in control....if it iz [sp] not u [sp] pulling the stringz [sp]...than who iz> [sp]?
it iz [sp] an illusion.....az [sp] u [sp] r [sp] an illusion...az **[sp]**thiz **[sp]**world iz [sp] an illusion...and the stringz [sp] that bind reality together...iz [sp] an illusion
u [sp] call the powerful forces illusions.....when in truth....they are what iz [sp] real....it iz [sp] u [sp] that doez [sp] not exist.
if there iz [sp] nothing to "obey"....if there iz [sp] no order....than thier iz [sp] no reason to allow moral or any other type of order to enter our livez [sp]...or any one elses....could u [sp] imagine the chaos this world would be in? if your view of the law took hold?
0=2 amiright [sp]?
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@Alrah said
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@Qemuel said
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@Alrah said
"Do you imagine that you're confronting me?"confronting weakness? what kind of battle front would that be?"
One that would still be waged inside the confines of your own skull, and simply the product of your imagination."
i puppet u [sp]....do u [sp] not keep replying to me?
u [sp] really are simple....so simple u [sp] think ur [sp] complex...
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Qemuel, 93,
"if there iz nothing to "obey"....if there iz no order....than thier iz no reason to allow moral or any other type of order to enter our livez...or any one elses....could u imagine the chaos this world would be in? if your view of the law took hold?"
Read my post again. I did NOT say "there is (or 'iz') nothing to obey," nor that there should be no order. So, what you think would happen if my view of the Law took hold would not occur, because I am not advocating what you perceived.
I think you enjoy strange games, as with your manipulation of spelling, or your twisting of my words. I don't think you are very seriously engaged with your own life.
You're the puppet.
93 93/93,
Edward
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@Frater Aster Lux said
"Once "you" actually make contact with what has been pulling the strings, "you" realize that "you" haven't been in control your whole life.
Your on a Thelemic discussion board. If you don't already expect the answer you get back from any one here, it's because you haven't read enough of the source material."
i see what ur [sp] saying....basically put...me being an a [sp] occultist, like crowley, i have no right to post to express myself or my beliefs cause they might differe from urs [sp]....would crowley be this arguement in this thread as well?
what is the difference between a christian persecuting me or a thelemic [sp]? ...... nothing.
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@Edward Mason said
"Qemuel, 93,
"if there iz nothing to "obey"....if there iz no order....than thier iz no reason to allow moral or any other type of order to enter our livez...or any one elses....could u imagine the chaos this world would be in? if your view of the law took hold?"Read my post again. I did NOT say "there is (or 'iz') nothing to obey," nor that there should be no order. So, what you think would happen if my view of the Law took hold would not occur, because I am not advocating what you perceived.
I think you enjoy strange games, as with your manipulation of spelling, or your twisting of my words. I don't think you are very seriously engaged with your own life.
You're the puppet.
93 93/93,
Edward"
am i the puppet? did i not control ur [sp] emotions? people seldom see the stringz [sp] that r [sp] being pulled.
who holdz [sp] the most truth? it certainly can not be u [sp].
twisting of words and spelling....manipluation of spelling and words.......what iz [sp] the difference between a spell and words? iz [sp] there any? can it be written in something az [sp] simple on a forum...and reading them aloud in ur [sp] mind...doez [sp] it not activate the spell?
if i am the puppet....who would be pulling my stringz [sp]?
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