Book of Job
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@Edward Mason said
"So the severity is not intrinsic to the energy of Mars, or not entirely so?"
I don't think any part of the Tree exists only in itself. A key perspective on the Tree (and one which I think Fortune developed better than anyone, at least for the Sephiroth) is that each thing exists in itself by its relationship to other aspects. So yeah, it all fits together.
Someplace (I'd have to dig to find it), Crowley wrote of the "Three Portals to the Abyss" in a way that made clear that he was speaking of Tiphereth, Geburah, and Chesed (or, rather, of the 5=6, 6=5, and 7=4 grades). So the 6=5 Grade can be conceived in this sense as the Second Gate to the Abyss.
"Related to this, I've always thought Adjustment/Lamed, which is attributed to Libra, reflects Saturn's being exalted in Libra, rather than the Venus-as-Ruler side of Libra. It represents the structuring aspect of the power of Saturn."
Yes, the Lamed ideas merge into Geburah well in the approach. (Which means they're also a significant part of the 5=6 experience.) But the Venus part is there. Saturn "holds one to the law" but there is no acrimony or punishment element therein. Lamed is also a path of love - the whole assumption of conscious responsibility for karma is a gift of love - and Lamed, of course, is the female mate to Aleph in the key formula of Liber Legis.
"Also, are you implying that the Exempt Adept is more under the sway of Chokmah, immediately above Chesed, or is such an Adept experiencing more the Bright Fertile Mother aspect of Binah? That is, in the sense of, First you get the "nasty" side in Geburah, then you get the "nice" side of Binah in Chesed?"
The G.D. level Chesed grade is definitely a reflection of and response to Chokmah especially. In the A.'.A.'. level, the Exempt Adept is "beneath the Supernals, in service to them" in a broader sense and, of course, is preparing for the significant initiation to Binah that is ahead. But much of the nature of 7=4 is explained (or, let's say, easy to understand) by understanding the Path of Vav and the way that the Exempt Adept is the repository of Wisdom (being as much Water to Chokmah's Fire as is Binah).
"There's a related issue, it occurs to me, with the paths that cross the Abyss. I realize the Tree is always something of a theoretical construct; but if the Abyss is empty, how does it have something as structured as five distinct paths running through it?"
Paths are not, themselves, "something." They aren't objective, that is. They are relationships. They are of the nature of Going and, therefore, leave no secure place to stand still.
BTW I've often been intrigued that the three vertical Paths crossing the Abyss are the only three lunar paths on the Tree: Gimel, Cheth, and Vav (Moon, Cancer, Taurus). This does seem to say a lot about what is required in the process. That is, it is one of surrender and momentum, not of will and direction. (Etc.)
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JAE 93,
Thanks. Much to munch on there.
93 93/93,
Edward
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93,
"Quote JAE: I have access to all of those, and (when I originally wrote it) either used an interlinear or side-by-side copies in Hebrew and KJV. - I only rely on Strong for quick reference on simple things. For Hebrew literature of that era (especially scriptural Hebrew), I usually rely on (and, in this case, surely relied on) Gesenius as my standard. (Getting very deep into the First Millennium of the Christian Era, I rely on Jastrow substantially.)"
Thank you for the generous answer Jim. Also, I would be very grateful if you or someone else could shed some light on which books in the Christian bible are also Qabalistic works such as Job?
"Quote JAE: But there wasn't much translation here. Most of this, notice, was just identifying which Divine Name was used in a given situation. "And a bunch of gematria."
I see, that is suggestive.
"Quote JAE: Yes, that was the line. Read it in context. It's a threshold shift. "...till my change come." It's followed by the only answer an Adept can bring to the HGA: "Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.""
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@Ankh said
"Also, I would be very grateful if you or someone else could shed some light on which books in the Christian bible are also Qabalistic works such as Job?"
Pretty much all of them. The first five, for sure. But even the histories (e.g., Kings) are strongly Kabbalistic.
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"Quote JAE: Yes, that was the line. Read it in context. It's a threshold shift. "...till my change come." It's followed by the only answer an Adept can bring to the HGA: "Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.""Also, is this a threshold shift to Briah?"
Not per se. It might by a symptom of one, and is particularly marked in an Adept, but can be a "right state" realized even earlier. But yes, you are correctly discerning a Briatic aspect to the relationship implied in that phrase.
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(Some people wanted to find this more easily.)
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Enjoyed re-reading it. There's something singular about the book, in relation to the rest of the OT.
"Beginning in 40:15 there is an instruction in kundalini. Behemoth (BHMVTh = 453 = NPSh ChIH, Nephesh Chiah, "breath of life"), the kundalini, is established strongly in the loins; its force is raised to the navel region (the second chakra). I think v. 17 refers to a reflexive response of the genitals. His "columns" (the lateral channels) are of alchemical Venus (brass) and Mars (iron). All the rest of this paragraph describes the kundalini phenomena in minute detail if one will but look!"
I dunno, when I read it just now, it seemed to do a little more than just 'describe' the phenomena.
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Really interesting analysis of The Book of Job, specially contrasting this with what Jung write about Job and the evolution of God conception in his essay “Answer to Job”. It´s the one in which Jung talk about how Job´s behaviour to the absolute irrationality of God (who, being omnipotent and omniscient, do that to Job, knowing already what will happen) mark a decisive point for the posterior development of the conception of God (or auto development of God itself, knowing it already what will happen with Job´s case) in the New Testament and Christianity beginnings.
By the way, here goes a little Job´s sketch I did for a future more accurate painting for my (yes, influenced by Crowley´s Book of Lies) project Universal Joke. Just sharing it, but sorry for the spam anyway: universaljoke.blogspot.com.es/2011/12/job.html
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No, you're not.
U'd do it again, right? -
Seems like where cursed by such a lack of undestanding between you and I, but I love you anyway, Jim.
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Jim Eshelman:
"No, you're not.
U'd do it again, right? "Wait, you were referring to the sharing of my blog, isn´t? Hahaha.. my goddess, I had no idea what are you talking about...
Sorry, yes, I´d do it again, hehe. -
Yes. I was referring to your saying you were sorry. I was observing that you probably aren't. You'd do it again.
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Jim Eshelman:
"I was referring to your saying you were sorry."
Fuk! You caught me.
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Well, as far as spam goes, linking to share something we created is pretty low on the spam-meter. I do it myself (unapologetically and often).
I liked your painting. For some reason it reminded me of Jonah more than Job. Perhaps it was the upside-down perspective of the subject, which reminded me of the Hanged Man card, and the watery associations between that card and Jonah.
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Avshalom Binyamin:
"I liked your painting. For some reason it reminded me of Jonah more than Job. Perhaps it was the upside-down perspective of the subject, which reminded me of the Hanged Man card, and the watery associations between that card and Jonah."
Thanks! Interesting point about Jonah. Really, I don’t thought in Job until I made the first drawing sketch and started to paint. Apart, the first drawing sketch was originally not upside down, I have to admit that the Mem card had a little influence in my decision, though the principal idea is that no matter that the painting is upside down, because the (impossible) posture of Job, in relation with the point of view, make that no matter such thing..
But for now it´s a sketch and a provisional thing, I progressively add other things, or change others. I want, in fact, that all this paintings evolve and will be made following only the intuition, inspired always by different and unexpected ways. You are right wondering about the Tarot, in fact the idea is make a sort of personal Tarot, could be said, made of such hieroglyphics and so on. Anyway, is soon yet for a general idea, I started this just a year ago, not yet.
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I highly recommend Stephen Mitchell's translation of the Book of Job. Also his translation of the Tao Teh Ching. Poetic and incisive in both cases!