Liber Al Cipher 666 Tablet / English Qabalah
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Another thought upon the word "paste", and of this whole scheme is that of sex magick.
Why "paste"? Paste is suggestive of semen, the white milky substance that unites or blends two halves. The Tablet blends, adheres these pages together in a symbolic marriage, (think Temperance/"Art") Paste also suggests the alchemical universal solvent of Art. It also hints at art, and creativity, something we use mostly with art on projects. So the use of the word "paste" is significant because it gives us the idea of a process involving addition in a creative and new way, something simple, and involving art (Tarot). The words "paste the sheets" also has a rather sexual connotation as well. "Bed in working" takes on new meaning, in terms of this whole idea; as does "unite by thine art".
The whole Tablet, with each square uniting two cards, is sexual. It is a joining of these symbols; the whole Temple is an orgy!
It is well known that there are sexual techniques using the Enochian system, why should this be any different? It should be even more expected in this case! No doubt, this new Thelemic style Enochian system employs sex magic.
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Although there is a lot I feel sure about with this theory; there still are areas - subjects im not sure about as well.
Of course as I learn, I try to use that knowledge to help solve these remaining questions. However, your welcome to try and solve them as well. Here they are:
- IF we take Abrahadabra as using the English letters and cross reference them to the Hebrew connected through the Trumps; can we say:
A = 0 Fool - Aleph 1 = Spirit
B = 1 Magus - Beth 2 = Air
R =17 Star - Heh 5 = Fire
H = 7 Chariot - Cheth 8 = Water
D = 3 Empress - Daleth 4 = Earth(Interesting side note. Card numbers of these 5 = 28, same as reduced Eng. for whole word. Heb. total 20.)
This is my guess at elemental attributions for these 5 diverse letters of the Word.
What do you think?
- I believe these four solar gates are to be made into four seperate (space marks?) Tablets. The central cross, as done in the regular Enochian system is then turned into a Tablet of Union, to be placed upon the altar. However, it is possible this is ONE whole Tablet to be set up in the East, as our "Kiblah", perhaps a symbolic Boelskin? It does after all symbolically represent a "house", & has the "name" (cross) 418.
Would it be "one" or "many"?
(Of course, giving your opinion is simply assuming hypothetically this whole theory is correct.)
I still havent went into the subject of the letters upon the squares of this Tablet. I will if there is truly an interest, but so far I havent seen too much of a responce. I feel reluctant to simply waste my time with all these details if theres no interest.
Anyway, I admire many of you on this forum, and would appreciate any honest feedback. If for example, you find any aspect of my theory in error, or based on wrong information etc., or may be simply misguided in some way, please feel free to point it out! If this IS a house of cards, built on a shaky foundation, I would seriously appreciate the constructive criticism.
I realize the negative knee jerk reaction to any would be "cipher solution" etc. It does seem to be a Thelemic habit, every Thelemite has a possible theory it seems! But, this is a way we learn too, and having that objectivity is a great tool to realize weakness/strengths.
My arguement is how many theories can so quickly produce such well known, clear-cut recognizable numbers as 666 & 418? In such an additional qabalistically significant manner - such as 111 x 6? This also creates a workable system, using TWO of the subjects closely related to Liber Legis. It brings so many aspects together into a coherent, easy to understand whole. These are the reasons I feel it has merit.
I have seen interesting patterns found, even generated out of every day gibberish (in a round about, haphazzard fashion), but I challenge anyone to show a way to generate these two great Thelemic numbers like this theory can!
It seems every time I post this, everyone clams up lol! I saw plenty give Dar some advice, and or criticism; id love some of that feedback too. Thanks again!
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I like the standards you set at the beginning. They attempt to confine the incredible creative and associative ability of the unconscious mind to the end result you seek.
Once we get to the elaboration of the mathmatical tables, you end up making choices about how to combine, reduce, mirror, etc. This is where subjectivity creeps in. For instance, the standard method of creating a table leaves the original row and column intact. It doesn't change them. Horizontally, the 0-13, and vertically, the 13-25 would remain in place. The manipulation of the original row and column, then their reduction and mirroring is ...a bit of mental art. And that's where it becomes subjective and unconfirmable.
I am becoming more and more convinced that each of these solutions, and the verses that seem to encourage one to go through such manipulations, functions more like a Rorschach Test than anything else.
As the unconscious mind elaborates on the original premise, these subjetive artistic decisions are shaped by all the other impressions about ourselves, our lives, and occult "doctrine" that we have deeply impressed upon our own unconscious. As the artistic decisions occur, what we tend to see is a reflection of the unconscious contents of the qabalistic artist. In short, it reveals more about what* we believe and think *about ourselves, our lives, and occult "doctrine" than anything else.
Yours tends to bend back toward confirmation of the Law and of the importance of 666.
It is no small accomplishment for you, or anyone else for that matter, to achieve this experience of the incredible possibilities of your internal genius. For many, it seems to represent their first full encounter with the depth and vast possibilities of their own unconscious powers and confirms the possibility of information coming to them seemingly from outside themselves.
However, as I said, the information generated generally seems to reflect much more of what is going on in the psychological depths of an individual than anything that could be considered absolute, universal, or objective truth.
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@Bereshith said
"I like the standards you set at the beginning. They attempt to confine the incredible creative and associative ability of the unconscious mind to the end result you seek.
Once we get to the elaboration of the mathmatical tables, you end up making choices about how to combine, reduce, mirror, etc. This is where subjectivity creeps in. For instance, the standard method of creating a table leaves the original row and column intact. It doesn't change them. Horizontally, the 0-13, and vertically, the 13-25 would remain in place. The manipulation of the original row and column, then their reduction and mirroring is ...a bit of mental art. And that's where it becomes subjective and unconfirmable.
I am becoming more and more convinced that each of these solutions, and the verses that seem to encourage one to go through such manipulations, functions more like a Rorschach Test than anything else.
As the unconscious mind elaborates on the original premise, these subjetive artistic decisions are shaped by all the other impressions about ourselves, our lives, and occult "doctrine" that we have deeply impressed upon our own unconscious. As the artistic decisions occur, what we tend to see is a reflection of the unconscious contents of the qabalistic artist. In short, it reveals more about what* we believe and think *about ourselves, our lives, and occult "doctrine" than anything else.
Yours tends to bend back toward confirmation of the Law and of the importance of 666.
It is no small accomplishment for you, or anyone else for that matter, to achieve this experience of the incredible possibilities of your internal genius. For many, it seems to represent their first full encounter with the depth and vast possibilities of their own unconscious powers and confirms the possibility of information coming to them seemingly from outside themselves.
However, as I said, the information generated generally seems to reflect much more of what is going on in the psychological depths of an individual than anything that could be considered absolute, universal, or objective truth."
93 Bereshith,
Thank you for your help and input! Very true! I agree of course we have an unconcious process that allows us to unlock these sorts of fancy solutions, however if they are products that have worth or objective use (i.e. Liber Tav) dont they justify themselves?
I hardly see "justification" for Liber Tavs format, (in terms of pure mechanics) bieng any more pertinent than this one. I guess what Im saying is, arent ALL "solutions" a product of these same things your citing anyway? What is the process or a solution example that wouldnt? Isnt our intuitition or higher selves directing us? "Reason is a lue" etc., I think the real measure is the validity of the result.
I dont know if this matters, but the only enumeration required is the first which does stay in place. That is 0 through 12 (not 13) & 13 down 25. The "mirrored" part is, I believe an extra hidden confirnation for the reduced being the "values". I disagree it is easy to arrive at such numbers in such a clear significant way. Also, the mirrored trick, I believed is a "key" to confirm by these recognizable numbers the inherent divisions. How do we know its not just "me"? I think THAT could be argued that the result is alone its objective justification.
666 "foursquare"? 418 in a cross? Deriving 666 by 6 lines of 111? 666 being a total of a 36 square quater? All from mirroring and reducing?
Again, your obviously an intelligent man, and I respect your feedback. I will look into what you say however. Just pointing out what MY mind argues. I want to make sure I understand what your saying, and "get it".
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@Daegal said
"93 Bereshith,
Thank you for your help and input! Very true! I agree of course we have an unconcious process that allows us to unlock these sorts of fancy solutions, however if they are products that have worth or objective use (i.e. Liber Tav) dont they justify themselves? "
Yes, they justify themselves if the product is of practical use and does not depend on others being required to accept the subjective choices of the process of discovery. Liber Tav creates a tarot layout that has great practical applications for meditation on the interconnectedness of the tarot, whether or not its source was Liber AL. Paul Foster Case presents a similar layout (though reversed - which I'm not sure matters since the layout is symmetrical) and does not credit any authority for its production other than tradition (that I recall).
"I hardly see "justification" for Liber Tavs format, (in terms of pure mechanics) thann this one. "
What meditation or practical application to magic does it provide for others that is not required to be based in acceptance of the method of its discovery?
"I guess what Im saying is, arent ALL "solutions" a product of these same things your citing anyway? "
Absolutely.
"What is the process or a solution example that wouldnt?"
It would have to achieve the solution by methods that do not require the unquestioning acceptance of another individual's subjective leaps of intuition and association.
"I dont know if this matters, but the only enumeration required is the first which does stay in place. That is 0 through 12 (not 13) & 13 down 25. The "mirrored" part is, I believe an extra hidden confirnation for the reduced being the "values". I disagree it is easy to arrive at such numbers in such a clear significant way. "
I didn't say it was easy. I said it was an activation of, and an accomplishment of, your unconscious genius. I said it was no small accomplishment to activate it or receive its creative response.
"666 "foursquare"? 418 in a cross? Deriving 666 by 6 lines of 111? 666 being a total of a 36 square quater? All from mirroring and reducing?"
Yes, but with no* logical *justification for the mirroring and reducing except that it ends up resulting in such things. That your mind discovered this is a work of art and genius. Does that seem so small to you? Must it be objectively confirmable by others for it to be a meaningful and significant demonstration of your genius by you, for you? It's only when we start claiming that our solution is obvious, final, and authoritative for everyone that it becomes necessary to apply the rules of rational methodology and objectivity. If we make no such claims, then it still remains that wonderful, mysterious interaction and demonstration of your own genius by you, for you.
"Again, your obviously an intelligent man, and I respect your feedback. I will look into what you say however. Just pointing out wgat MY mind argues.
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Absolutely understandable.
Love under Will.
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Aha! I get it! Ok, thank you Bereshith. I think I finally understand! Your smarter than the average bear I see lol.
Ok, taking it now as a purely personal system, could you give me your opinion on my attributions of elements to the 5 letters of Abrahadabra? IF going by my idea of the cards shown? Id appreciate any advice!
Thank you!
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Bereshith! One last question that came to me! A possible arguement; could we be throwing the perverbial baby out with the bathwater? Assuming personal, unjustified, or erroneous ideas lead to a valid result, does that really matter?
Would Crowley have thrown out the "AL" key had Achad said he arrived at it by playing scrabble?
How can anyone legitamately use these "keys" (clues) such as the "line drawn" and "circle squared" by NOT using intuitive interpretation with a solution? Their symbols after all, meant to provoke inspiration. We may all react or think of different ideas based on them.
Maybe these words, chance shapes, drawn symbols, and "the number & the words" could be meant to "strangely" or uniquely inspire a particular individual? Are we perhaps putting to much importance on HOW we arrive at a solution, rather than that solutions validity itself?
After all, maybe that is what "success is thy proof" means? Otherwise, we may make the reverse mistake, taking a wrong solution as having objective truth based on a convincing origin.
I dont know, just a thought. Still I get your points, and appreciate your thoughts.
Love under will
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@Bereshith said
"Well, it's a simplified analogy, but if a person came to you and said "Eureka! I've got it! 4+55=666!" how would you react?"
Your missing my point. Sorry I didnt make it more clear.
Your mistaking an illogical process or method for arriving at a result. Im saying couldnt a verse or symbol inspire an IDEA for a method or process that yields a valid result?
For example, to address your issue with no justification for reducing, and mirroring this graph; could we not allow for "paste the sheets right to left and top to bottom" to mean several things? Or inspire the IDEA of each side "top", reverse "bottom" & "left" to "right" being this mirroring? Taking the meaning as a reversal also?
The "circle squared" inspiring the IDEA for 22 plus 4 = 26 & english? Also the suggesting addition of these four sides, as visually described as a cross? The glyph is interpreted by ME, inspiring a METHOD resulting in a valid solution.
Hope that explains it a bit better. My apologies for not being very articulate! Lol
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@Bereshith said
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@Bereshith said
"Yes, they justify themselves if the product is of practical use and does not depend on others being required to accept the subjective choices of the process of discovery."
"Wait a minute. This isnt making much sense to me now.
How can we exclude a solution simply because others would be required to accept the subjective choices of its originator?
If thats the criteria, it would basically be impossible for any solution to meet the requirement. That may be possible in fields such as science etc., but magick is an art as well, very subjective material no?
These symbols we leap from making subjective choices can inspire specific process that themselves are justified.
Liber Legis is of course very personal, individual, how the verses strike me - what they inspire is personal. You dont have to understand, nor agree how one arrives at a particular summit, but if he end up at that summit another may understand & verify his position.
I can not dictate HOW I believe a verse or symbol should move you, or inspire you. Nor can I dictate the validity of your particular inspiration, regardless if "correct" or not. One may get a vision of Nuit from a symbol of Hadit, but if the vision itself is of universal worth and use, does it matter?
Perhaps these subjective choices are the subjective "keys" that open up meaning for an individual leading to a very objective solution.
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Subjective choices:
A. Taking the "sheets" to be the Tarot.
Someone has to make a subjective choice to what these "sheets" are. How can anyone avoid this? Besides, my idea is the same as others far greater than myself in knowledge.
B. Taking "right to left and top to bottom" as outline of a graph. How is that unreasonable, if not perfectly logical?
C. Interpreting the SYMBOL of a circle with a cross inside as ROTA (Tarot 22), & 4 elements. Also it inspiring the idea of adding (even reducing) the "circle" of cards.
D. Why couldnt it be taken as legitimate to have "Abrahadabra" in this context suggest uniting the 5 & 6 divisions of these cards or "circle squared"?
C. Following logically the graph outline suggested, why is it unjustified to add these cards?
D. Why isnt it enough justification to reduce and mirror this graph outline simply because all the above led me to try? Or that the words "right to left and top to bottom" gave ME a further idea of reflecting each side? Or the word "behold" to investigate?
How are the above personal inspirations that I derived from the "keys" given (and for a reason) reason to reject the results I obtain, that further fit verses? I.e. "foursquare, mystic, wonderful, the number of the man (666), and the name of thy house 418".
A Tablet foursquare 666, and cross 418, inspired BY "keys" given in Liber Al, unjustified because it would ask others to accept HOW I came to those inpirations for my methods?
Doesnt make sense, and precludes many others ideas arrived at the same way as well. Magick IS subjective.
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"How can we exclude a solution simply because others would be required to accept the subjective choices of its originator?
"Begs the question of what a solution is.
It's like saying, "How can we exlude a mathematical formula just because it doesn't make any sense unless you're a Christian?"
If I have to be Christian for a mathematical formula to make sense, it isn't a mathematical formula.
If I have to place faith in the person who solved a riddle instead of being able understand it, I have no business giving importance to riddles.
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@Bereshith said
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"How can we exclude a solution simply because others would be required to accept the subjective choices of its originator?
"Begs the question of what a solution is.
It's like saying, "How can we exlude a mathematical formula just because it doesn't make any sense unless you're a Christian?"
If I have to be Christian for a mathematical formula to make sense, it isn't a mathematical formula.
If I have to place faith in the person who solved a riddle instead of being able understand it, I have no business giving importance to riddles."
A solution is of course the answer to a problem. In this case, the answer to the riddles hidden in Liber Al, specifically the secret of the pasting of the sheets, and the English Qabalah. In addition making sense to many other mysterious verses, that point to a hidden answer.
Im not sure I get your analogy, the "mathmatical formula" aka my theory (method), doesnt require a change in belief systems. Your a Thelemite. Im a Thelemite. You understand the fundamental concepts of Qabalah, and Thelemic and magical theory and techniques, as I do, and probably better.
Therefore, this does not require one to abandon "Thelemic" or "magical" reason or points of view etc. But simply to accept the individual inspiration that LED to a process (formula) that further leads to a reasonable answer.
Do you feel, besides the subjective choices, that the system/theory itself is flawed or unworkable somehow? That IT alone, forgetting about HOW it was derived, has no merit or worth? If so, how or what are your reasons?
Otherwise, I am stumped how you justify rejecting ANY solution that is valid, simply based on how particular symbols influenced another.
Your not placing faith in a person. Of course Awaiss etc., works through us, directing us. IF a solution comes, its not from that personality or person, but as you said, thier Higher Genius or HGA, right? Wouldnt ANY solution come from a person? Look at Frater Achad! You accept AL as the universal key to the Book of the Law dont you?
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@Bereshith said
"Hmm... spend some time with other people's "solutions" and come up with your own
criteria."I have, and my criteria are listed as you stated and liked. Thats why I qualify it as a "valid" solution, believing it a reasonable and workable
system/formula, even IF personal.93 93/93
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@Daegal said
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@Bereshith said
"Hmm... spend some time with other people's "solutions" and come up with your own
criteria."I have, and my criteria are listed as you stated and liked. Thats why I qualify it as a "valid" solution, believing it a reasonable and workable
system/formula, even IF personal.93 93/93"
Well, I can agree with that, so we probably just kind of verbally missed each other toward the end there.
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@Bereshith said
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@Daegal said
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@Bereshith said
"Hmm... spend some time with other people's "solutions" and come up with your own
criteria."I have, and my criteria are listed as you stated and liked. Thats why I qualify it as a "valid" solution, believing it a reasonable and workable
system/formula, even IF personal.93 93/93"
Well, I can agree with that, so we probably just kind of verbally missed each other toward the end there.
"93 Bereshith,
Thank you. Yes, I agree, as I state at the beginning, its up to every individual to ultimately decide. Im not here to "declare" anything other than a possible solutuon.
My "argument" was simply on the assertion any solution that "requires one to accept anothers subjective choices" should be tossed out.
I was qualifying a "valid" & reasonable/plausable solution as still viable REGARDLESS of how the symbols etc., inspired them.
IF a technique unfolds from that inspiration - that is valid in its own right, yielding a plausable answer, it should be condidered.
I feel, this idea here is of that caliber.
However, I whole heartedly agree with you, one should only accept what they understand, and use descretion.
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@Dara Allarah said
"Hey Daegal, I was thinking over your work this morning and I had a sudden flash of inspiration about 666. When we work in base 7 - the Septenary - then 666 is the highest number of the hundreds before 1000. I was wondering if the English Qabalah isn't meant to work in Base 10 but in Base 7? Or maybe base 8... as 777 too seems to have a lot of significance to Crowley - the seal of Babalon etc. The point is these two values, being at the end of each base's hundred values, are a bit like values for something that is the most fully manifested. Like an Amen!
666 is the fully manifested Solar Energy. 777 is the fully manifested Temple. etc.
Just a thought!
Btw - I very much agree with you about how personal intuition and inspiration lead to solutions of general significance. Issac Newton had a personal experience with an Apple falling on his head that lead to the Theory of Gravity... but some of the guys around here at the moment would have told him he was rubbish and wrong and shouldn't have given the apple falling on his head any significance. Then they probably would have asked him for citations for his theory of Gravity too!
Respect!"
Hello Dar,
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Thank you for the thought. However, as you say for your theory, its not US that decides lol. What I mean by that is; most of this theory Im displaying is already there. Or it "feels" like it is. So, the letters already have values, arrived at by simply reducing the "order" numbers. I try not to "fiddle" with anything too much.
I try to stay away from methods such as "D = Daleth, and Daleth is the Empress thus Venus, and so D = 7." Etc., because THAT is just me threshing out connections. Arbitrary, and not concrete. And if a theory is built solely on that sort of "subjective reasoning" then its shaky.
Others can do that, with even my system, on their own for personal exploration & insights.
So, your idea is interesting, but if its not already evident, I cant "change" it to reflect a particular base, or what have you.
Its interesting that, before I discovered this idea, (formula), I revered the number 93. I found it shocking, and curious when I found all the relevent numbers somewhere in this Tablet; 666,418,56,31,25,26,14,5,6,0 - but NOT a 93 anywhere! Wasnt what I expected. I feel somehow thats good, that it DIDNT have, in a lot of ways what I expected or wanted.
A lot is out of MY hands. Pasting these sheets etc., doing a little adding, thats pretty much IT. I feel more like im simply assembling a peice of furniture from Ikea - following a set of directions than deciding anything.
Respect.
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I thought I should clarify a few aspects, and add further to this theories use of the "keys" of verse 3.47, and justification on how they were interpreted and applied.
- "this line drawn"
Describing how the line was drawn, is the key. Notice the verse says "this line drawn", using the word "drawn" seems to - well draw attention to it.
If we use a pages sides as our reference points, we could say:
"left to right and top to bottom" &
"right to left and bottom to top."We could say "diagonally, left to right", however I feel Awaiss knew once the diviner realized the simularity, they would "get it", and know what words were meant to inspire.
It hints at both English, and a flipping of the pasting of the sheet arrangement. Which, at this step is "failing" to be squared.
- The "circled squared", points out to use the English to propely square it.
The "circle squared in its failure" has many layers of meaning, however, all link to 26.
The first clue of this symbol, is its definite relation to the number 26, and hence an additional hint at the English Alphabet, elswhere mentioned in Liber Al.
David Allen Hulse, in his book entitled "The Key of it All", mentions this number and its relationship to the squaring of the circle:
"The Squaring of the Circle. As the Hermetic mathmatical puzzle of the squaring of the circle, 26 is the value of the circle and the square combined: the circle is 22 (in light of pi being 22/7) while the square is 4. Thus the circle and square conjoined is 26. This numbering also applies to any symbol combining a circle with
a cross (which is also valued at 4)."Sub layer: Hidden justification for the method of mirroring & reducing?
Among all these clues, is perhaps another describing the method of reducing & mirroring the graph. The circle is the cards, ROTA, the wheel that surrounds the "cross". The cross could be seen as all four sides of the Tablet, equalibriated. If we look at the glyph this way, the cross unites four sides of this "circle", a mirror of a macrocosmic set, and a macrocosmic set. Could this "wheel" turn? Or is the cross a symbol of equalibriating each square with its opposite? Its possible, and either way it inspired the idea in me to experiment, as I feel the word "behold", found at the end of verse 3:73 implies.
The cross, also of course suggests addition if taken as a "plus sign". The circle around this addition sign then could then describe using addition with the cards, and why would experimentation in adding in various ways be excluded? Reducing is taking addition to its final limit, and a cross could be taken as a symbol of reducing as well, as Hadit, the infinitely contracting rood.
The cross also suggests the reflection, as a mirrored graph because a cross is a mirror. Each arm a reflection of an opposite polarity, East vs. West, North - South etc. Again, its possible, and either way, I dont feel its too much of a stretch to see this as a seed of inspiration.
In the end, it works, and so there can be said, at least in some respect, "success". Success in terms of a valid, functional system, that produces instantly important Thelemic numbers, as well as being congruent with various Thelemic ideas and verses.
Lastly, Abrahadabra fits in perfectly with these symbols interpretation, staying in line with both the ideas of 26, and the Rose Cross. It is in fact an ideal symbol to end these three clues, as it reflects the actual function and over all purpose of the Tablet, the prior clues describe.
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