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    Freya
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    If I do both at the beginning, will the cancel each other out?

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    Jim Eshelman
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    @Freya said

    "If I do both at the beginning, will the cancel each other out?"

    Both what? At the beginning of what?

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    Los
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    @Jim Eshelman said

    "It ALWAYS attracts attention - over the year's, you mature into a blazing Sun illuminating the in er worlds."

    And on what grounds do you make this claim? Or, in fact, any of the claims you've made on this thread?

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    Freya
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    Both rituals, the lesser banishing ritual first and then the rose cross.

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    Jim Eshelman
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    @Freya said

    "Both rituals, the lesser banishing ritual first and then the rose cross."

    I wouldn't mix them unless there were an extraordinary reason.

    The RC ritual is useful for situations where U want to hide in some sense, or have a withdrawn and undisturbed space as for very still meditation. This is useful sometimes, but no way to live one's life.

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    Jim Eshelman
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    @Los said

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    @Jim Eshelman said
    "It ALWAYS attracts attention - over the year's, you mature into a blazing Sun illuminating the in er worlds."

    And on what grounds do you make this claim? Or, in fact, any of the claims you've made on this thread?"

    1. Experience
    2. Observation
    3. Confirming feedback from others

    It's basically the core method of A.'.A.'.:

    1. Due something
    2. Observe & record
    3. Assess & draw conclusions based primarily on personal experiencs
      Etc.
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    Faust
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    I just found this while doing a research. Magnificent expert opinion on the subject of “not believing at empirical evidence”.

    "Parachute use to prevent death and major trauma related to gravitational challenge: systematic review of randomised controlled trials."

    www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16602356

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    Los
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    @Jim Eshelman said

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    @Los said
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    @Jim Eshelman said
    "It ALWAYS attracts attention - over the year's, you mature into a blazing Sun illuminating the in er worlds."

    And on what grounds do you make this claim? Or, in fact, any of the claims you've made on this thread?"

    1. Experience
    2. Observation"

    No amount of pretending that you're a "blazing Sun illuminating the inner worlds" demonstrates that there are inner worlds on which anything like this is happening. Unless by "inner worlds," you simply mean "make believe," which I suspect you do not.

    "3. Confirming feedback from others"

    And no matter how many other people also pretend that they're a "blazing Sun illuminating the inner worlds," this still doesn't demosntrate that there are inner worlds or anything remotely like this.

    It's the same with all the rest of these claims. There's no such thing as "psychic attack," so the OP can go ahead and draw any symbols you want over anything you want. The result will be the same.

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    Jim Eshelman
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    And that's not what I said. You're characterizing it as something different than I said or meant.

    We teach magick. That's basic to what we do, and basic to what this forum is about. I was speaking on the topic of magick to those involved in its practice, most likely in language useful to them in that practice.

    Please don't start derailing every conversation on the forum. We don't exist only to give you a platform for your antimetaphysical views. We have our on-going, day-to-day work to handle around here as well.

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    Los
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    @Jim Eshelman said

    "We teach magick."

    Of course. But I think hardly anyone would consider it "derailing" a conversation on a given subject to discuss how a person would know that claims being made about that topic are correct. That's sort of the entire purpose of having a subject that people study and learn.

    What you've said is that you experience X, observe X, and have others confirm X (presumably after they too have experienced X), and that's how you know that X is true. Well, that's a woefully insufficient answer. The same can be said about Christians who experience Jesus Christ, observe their interactions with him, and have others -- millions and millions of other Christians -- confirm very similar experiences. Does that demonstrate that Christ is real, then? The same can be said of Hindus "experiencing" Shiva, or zillions of other false claims.

    In other words, you're teaching a subject, and when someone asks you a pretty basic question about the subject -- like how you know the stuff you're saying about it is true -- you give a woefully insufficient answer. Isn't that something worth talking about?

    "I was speaking on the topic of magick to those involved in its practice, most likely in language useful to them in that practice."

    I've performed the LBRP daily for years and years, and I fail to see how it's "helpful" to describe it as "lighting up" "inner worlds," "attracting attention" (presumably from make believe creatures like spirits) or telling yourself a story about how you're becoming a "tough motherflucker."

    Maybe you can elucidate the helpfulness of that terminology, because it sounds to me suspiciously like the sort of terminology that encourages people to think they have spooky powers when they are in fact just spinning in circles in their bedroom and intoning a bunch of funny-sounding words.

    "We don't exist only to give you a platform for your antimetaphysical views."

    Well, my "antimetaphysical views" have a sound basis in the lack of any evidence for metaphysical claims. If people aren't welcome to discuss the evidence for magick on a forum called "Magick," I'd suggest that the forum is improperly named.

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    Freya
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    Thank you Jim for your answer. Would the Lesser banishing ritual be helpful as I have the sun background?
    What is the best way to perform it?

    Thank you very much for your help

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    @Freya said

    "Thank you Jim for your answer. Would the Lesser banishing ritual be helpful as I have the sun background?
    What is the best way to perform it?"

    Most likely it would, yes. - There's a straightforward article on the Pentagram Ritual in No. 3 of Black Pearl. You can download the issues for free at <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.thelema.org/publications">www.thelema.org/publications</a><!-- w -->

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    Freya
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    Thank you very much Jim. You have been of great help.

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    Hermes
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    Just to add my 2 cents and share a personnal, non conventional technique:

    Practice fighting ! Then you'll learn how to defend. 😄

    Dont necessarly join a boxing gym(even if that would help)... just fight in the astral.

    There are tough beings who like to kick ass just like on the physical plane.

    If you can kick more ass than them, then you'll know how to defend... 😄

    Find a master in the astral so he teaches you how to mix magick and classic ass kicking. For the little i can say it can involve fighting with pure intentions, points of vue, "ways" of presence and stuff, on top of classic energy manipulation and striking. If you identify yourself with multiple points of vue at the same time, or with a planet, how do you fight? Find out !

    If anything goes wrong do the Harpocrates sign with all your will and shout a huge "kiai" to make the whole universe tremble !

    Then when you have those basics in the astral you can achor them in the physical plane.

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    Freya
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    what's the Harpocrates sign?

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    mark0987
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    93,

    "what's the Harpocrates sign?"

    The sign of silence which the God Hoor-Paar-Kraat gives in many depictions.

    2.bp.blogspot.com/_YKPd1gUPBrw/SahZOci6OPI/AAAAAAAACeY/626P8AFUQMk/s320/Sign_silence.gif

    That's the image I found on google, personally I like to have my feet together but that might be just me.

    93,93/93.

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    Hermes
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    To do it correctly you must visualise two crocodiles under your feet. One under each foot.

    There's also a version where you can do it sitting in classic asana. Then you visualise a lotus under thee. Also you form a "black egg" with your aura. It's shining black, close to indigo.

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    Freya
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    Thank you 😄

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    indeed93
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    Older thread I know but I suggest digging up Marcelo Motta's text Astral Attack & Defense. It covers a lot of the same ground, literally, as Fortune as it started as a translation of her work but becomes it's own thing about chapter 4 on.

    Another suggestion, as ridiculous as it sounds, get books on pick up artistry. You will learn applied body language and use of voice by studying their material very in depth.

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    Hermes
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    If you want to become the way you let no one stepping onto it.

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