Initial psychological results of LBRP
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Yes, one does LBPR to harmonize oneself i.e chakras and the place around you gets charged because of your aura expanding because of the chakras - to my limited exp.
It's a psi chi, ki, reiki, prana exercise. Of course it helps in meditation if your nadis are clean enough to feel its positive effect. As I said before, trying to use the primary chakras for the first time actively can cause various disorders because of the various blocks present in the body. That's why some people do pranayama, Robert Bruce has other means etc.
I see what you write and that concludes that you need to learn to relax first. The methods I described or any of your methods are good.
For me alcohol is not an answer. It's a fast temporary way to get away from stress. Try to massage eatch other with nice smelling oils or massage honey - that relaxes a lot, is sexy and provides a good time to negotiate things.
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@modernPrimitive said
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@Aum418 said
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If you have a problem with anxiety, the LBRP should technically help but it seems like it exacerbated the problem (althoug hti could be a false correlation). Did you 'cease all spiritual activities' like the psychologist asked, and if so did you see a difference?IAO131"
Hi Aum418,
Yes, I did cease all "spiritual work". I've spent the last 15 years working on my career and becoming an armchair philosopher. (since the passion remained). Recently I began to pursue spiritual studies once again. In a sense the psychologist's advice did help because I became focused on my external environment and had to develop confidence in my work (I was never a very confident person) - "balls to the wall" style. Now I run my own business so I have achieved a modicum of success in this. In a sense however it still feels like I'm harbouring a lack of true self-confidence, in other words the self-confidence that I have developed has been slapped ontop of an underlying complex. I think I tend to get a bit edgy when I become introspective. More on this when I respond to bryan in the next post."
93,
Get a massage and take an entheogen
IAO131
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Aum418 surprised me.
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@Modes said
"Aum418 surprised me.
It would be an interesting topic about entheogens in healing rituals. Especially how exactly do they heal."I would say their energization of the limbic system so one obtains a heightened emotional sensitivity (which can be a bad thing). I dont know though, its probably extremely complicated (physiologically).
IAO131
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@Aum418 said
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@modernPrimitive said
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@Aum418 said
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If you have a problem with anxiety, the LBRP should technically help but it seems like it exacerbated the problem (althoug hti could be a false correlation). Did you 'cease all spiritual activities' like the psychologist asked, and if so did you see a difference?IAO131"
Hi Aum418,
Yes, I did cease all "spiritual work". I've spent the last 15 years working on my career and becoming an armchair philosopher. (since the passion remained). Recently I began to pursue spiritual studies once again. In a sense the psychologist's advice did help because I became focused on my external environment and had to develop confidence in my work (I was never a very confident person) - "balls to the wall" style. Now I run my own business so I have achieved a modicum of success in this. In a sense however it still feels like I'm harbouring a lack of true self-confidence, in other words the self-confidence that I have developed has been slapped ontop of an underlying complex. I think I tend to get a bit edgy when I become introspective. More on this when I respond to bryan in the next post."
93,
Get a massage and take an entheogen
IAO131"
Are u being serious or just screwing with me? (had to look up "entheogen")
Funnily enough while I've never been keen on drugs the odd time that I've smoked a joint I've tended to get pretty paranoid; one time was particularly terrifying as I thought I was dying. Acid though has never made me paranoid - I can sort of handle hallucinating, it's only when there's a bad physiological effect that I get para - dope tends to elevate my heart rate pretty dramatically.
Started doing exercise tonight for the first time in about 10 years - definitely feel more relaxed though I probably won't be able to walk for a week.
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@Modes said
"Yes, one does LBPR to harmonize oneself i.e chakras and the place around you gets charged because of your aura expanding because of the chakras - to my limited exp.
It's a psi chi, ki, reiki, prana exercise. Of course it helps in meditation if your nadis are clean enough to feel its positive effect. As I said before, trying to use the primary chakras for the first time actively can cause various disorders because of the various blocks present in the body. That's why some people do pranayama, Robert Bruce has other means etc.
I see what you write and that concludes that you need to learn to relax first. The methods I described or any of your methods are good.
For me alcohol is not an answer. It's a fast temporary way to get away from stress. Try to massage eatch other with nice smelling oils or massage honey - that relaxes a lot, is sexy and provides a good time to negotiate things."Modest, what sort of asana and pranayama practice would you suggest? Duration, number of breaths etc etc?
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Your favorite sitting asana. Just be sure to do it right. A yogi in your area may help. Cross legged asana is no good. For pranayama see Liber RV vel Spiritus. Counting in/out breaths till 10; in only; out only - a begginers practise in Zen.
I was talking about mushrooms. I have read that the experience is like prana, reiki, ki etc etc healing and you can feel it. Better leave that kind of discussion to entheogen forums. -
@modernPrimitive said
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@Aum418 said
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@modernPrimitive said
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@Aum418 said
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If you have a problem with anxiety, the LBRP should technically help but it seems like it exacerbated the problem (althoug hti could be a false correlation). Did you 'cease all spiritual activities' like the psychologist asked, and if so did you see a difference?IAO131"
Hi Aum418,
Yes, I did cease all "spiritual work". I've spent the last 15 years working on my career and becoming an armchair philosopher. (since the passion remained). Recently I began to pursue spiritual studies once again. In a sense the psychologist's advice did help because I became focused on my external environment and had to develop confidence in my work (I was never a very confident person) - "balls to the wall" style. Now I run my own business so I have achieved a modicum of success in this. In a sense however it still feels like I'm harbouring a lack of true self-confidence, in other words the self-confidence that I have developed has been slapped ontop of an underlying complex. I think I tend to get a bit edgy when I become introspective. More on this when I respond to bryan in the next post."
93,
Get a massage and take an entheogen
IAO131"
Are u being serious or just screwing with me? (had to look up "entheogen")
Funnily enough while I've never been keen on drugs the odd time that I've smoked a joint I've tended to get pretty paranoid; one time was particularly terrifying as I thought I was dying. Acid though has never made me paranoid - I can sort of handle hallucinating, it's only when there's a bad physiological effect that I get para - dope tends to elevate my heart rate pretty dramatically.
Started doing exercise tonight for the first time in about 10 years - definitely feel more relaxed though I probably won't be able to walk for a week."
Not really. LSD had some interesting studies on it before it was outlawed (for example it had one of the highest success rates of curing alcoholism in a study) and drugs like MDMA can often help people work through emotional issues. That being said, the set and setting can drastically change the course and effects of these drugs and you cannot be sure it will be beneficial unless you are really ready for it, have a good setting, etc. A common effect of LSD and Psilocybin (among others) is that it causes giggling and other emotional releases (catharsis) that can be helpful. Not that Im endorsing use of illegal substances...
Get some exercise, get a massage, eat some good healthy food, and try ot enjoy the little things. Hell, try a different psychologist... Its all so variable
IAO131
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@Modes said
"Your favorite sitting asana. Just be sure to do it right. A yogi in your area may help. Cross legged asana is no good. For pranayama see Liber RV vel Spiritus. Counting in/out breaths till 10; in only; out only - a begginers practise in Zen.
I was talking about mushrooms. I have read that the experience is like prana, reiki, ki etc etc healing and you can feel it. Better leave that kind of discussion to entheogen forums."Thanks Modest,
I'm going to be learning some asana and pranayama from a yoga practitioner on your advice - just to make sure I'm doing it correctly. I think it's like martial arts - you can't really learn these kinds of thing properly from a book. I read Liber E as well - slightly different from the pranayama that I've been taught (in through left, then hold, then out through right and then you reverse this, in through right etc). Also some crazy ideas in there about doing pranayama with different gasses!
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@Aum418 said
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@modernPrimitive said
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@Aum418 said
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@modernPrimitive said
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@Aum418 said
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If you have a problem with anxiety, the LBRP should technically help but it seems like it exacerbated the problem (althoug hti could be a false correlation). Did you 'cease all spiritual activities' like the psychologist asked, and if so did you see a difference?IAO131"
Hi Aum418,
Yes, I did cease all "spiritual work". I've spent the last 15 years working on my career and becoming an armchair philosopher. (since the passion remained). Recently I began to pursue spiritual studies once again. In a sense the psychologist's advice did help because I became focused on my external environment and had to develop confidence in my work (I was never a very confident person) - "balls to the wall" style. Now I run my own business so I have achieved a modicum of success in this. In a sense however it still feels like I'm harbouring a lack of true self-confidence, in other words the self-confidence that I have developed has been slapped ontop of an underlying complex. I think I tend to get a bit edgy when I become introspective. More on this when I respond to bryan in the next post."
93,
Get a massage and take an entheogen
IAO131"
Are u being serious or just screwing with me? (had to look up "entheogen")
Funnily enough while I've never been keen on drugs the odd time that I've smoked a joint I've tended to get pretty paranoid; one time was particularly terrifying as I thought I was dying. Acid though has never made me paranoid - I can sort of handle hallucinating, it's only when there's a bad physiological effect that I get para - dope tends to elevate my heart rate pretty dramatically.
Started doing exercise tonight for the first time in about 10 years - definitely feel more relaxed though I probably won't be able to walk for a week."
Not really. LSD had some interesting studies on it before it was outlawed (for example it had one of the highest success rates of curing alcoholism in a study) and drugs like MDMA can often help people work through emotional issues. That being said, the set and setting can drastically change the course and effects of these drugs and you cannot be sure it will be beneficial unless you are really ready for it, have a good setting, etc. A common effect of LSD and Psilocybin (among others) is that it causes giggling and other emotional releases (catharsis) that can be helpful. Not that Im endorsing use of illegal substances...
Get some exercise, get a massage, eat some good healthy food, and try ot enjoy the little things. Hell, try a different psychologist... Its all so variable
IAO131"
I must admit I'm somewhat of a control freak - "loosing control" (or at least the illusion thereof) seems to send me into a panic. Something I will have to learn to overcome of course.
As for the rest of the advice that is exactly what I've been working towards. Had my first MuayThai lessons this week and my body is "broken" but I can feel a much greater level of relaxation as though 15 years of stress is starting to melt away. I wonder if "knots" and muscle tightness don't cause the apprent blockages in the meridians. I'm currently reading Deepak Chopra's Quantum Healing and according to Ayurveda it's as though the meridians are literally the channel whereby the unconscious mind interacts with the body (hence the need to alleviate these blockages). It's a two-way thing - you need to get the body in good working order to have a "healthy mind" just as much as "healthy thoughts" will create a healthy body.
Anyway thanks for all the advice.
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@modernPrimitive said
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@Aum418 said
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@modernPrimitive said
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@Aum418 said
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@modernPrimitive said
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@Aum418 said
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If you have a problem with anxiety, the LBRP should technically help but it seems like it exacerbated the problem (althoug hti could be a false correlation). Did you 'cease all spiritual activities' like the psychologist asked, and if so did you see a difference?IAO131"
Hi Aum418,
Yes, I did cease all "spiritual work". I've spent the last 15 years working on my career and becoming an armchair philosopher. (since the passion remained). Recently I began to pursue spiritual studies once again. In a sense the psychologist's advice did help because I became focused on my external environment and had to develop confidence in my work (I was never a very confident person) - "balls to the wall" style. Now I run my own business so I have achieved a modicum of success in this. In a sense however it still feels like I'm harbouring a lack of true self-confidence, in other words the self-confidence that I have developed has been slapped ontop of an underlying complex. I think I tend to get a bit edgy when I become introspective. More on this when I respond to bryan in the next post."
93,
Get a massage and take an entheogen
IAO131"
Are u being serious or just screwing with me? (had to look up "entheogen")
Funnily enough while I've never been keen on drugs the odd time that I've smoked a joint I've tended to get pretty paranoid; one time was particularly terrifying as I thought I was dying. Acid though has never made me paranoid - I can sort of handle hallucinating, it's only when there's a bad physiological effect that I get para - dope tends to elevate my heart rate pretty dramatically.
Started doing exercise tonight for the first time in about 10 years - definitely feel more relaxed though I probably won't be able to walk for a week."
Not really. LSD had some interesting studies on it before it was outlawed (for example it had one of the highest success rates of curing alcoholism in a study) and drugs like MDMA can often help people work through emotional issues. That being said, the set and setting can drastically change the course and effects of these drugs and you cannot be sure it will be beneficial unless you are really ready for it, have a good setting, etc. A common effect of LSD and Psilocybin (among others) is that it causes giggling and other emotional releases (catharsis) that can be helpful. Not that Im endorsing use of illegal substances...
Get some exercise, get a massage, eat some good healthy food, and try ot enjoy the little things. Hell, try a different psychologist... Its all so variable
IAO131"
I must admit I'm somewhat of a control freak - "loosing control" (or at least the illusion thereof) seems to send me into a panic. Something I will have to learn to overcome of course."
Perhaps the overwhelming desire to always be in control is leading to stress...
"As for the rest of the advice that is exactly what I've been working towards. Had my first MuayThai lessons this week and my body is "broken" but I can feel a much greater level of relaxation as though 15 years of stress is starting to melt away. I wonder if "knots" and muscle tightness don't cause the apprent blockages in the meridians. I'm currently reading Deepak Chopra's Quantum Healing and according to Ayurveda it's as though the meridians are literally the channel whereby the unconscious mind interacts with the body (hence the need to alleviate these blockages)."
Meridians sound like superstition to me...
"It's a two-way thing - you need to get the body in good working order to have a "healthy mind" just as much as "healthy thoughts" will create a healthy body."
Yup.
IAO131
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93 modernPrimitive,
Isreal Regardie mentions in a few of his books that it is good for a student to undergo some counseling before starting the Work. He said the Work would unlock all kinds of deep energies, and that any existing issues would only be amplified by them. Personally having always been quite insane I decided to skip that step as it seemed a waste of time.
The significant effects I noticed were around being able to hold all of the imagery and dynamics together at one time. Meaning toward the end, you've got columns of light, pentacles, angels, hexagrams, and all sorts of stuff happening at once. This is good overall to increase a number of abilities. I think it somehow synchronizes the right and left hemispheres of the brain and increases the frequency of both. The other is that there is part of the subconscious probably related to the old reptilian brain that somehow understands or even remembers parts of the operation. I found it is not just a bundle of firing physiological survival impulses which controls breathing, heart, etc, but is an integral part of consciousness. I don't know if it is the thoughts, the vibrations, or what, but when it 'wakes up' and you become aware of it, for me it was a pretty significant 'psychological event'...but in a very good way.
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@Aum418 said
"Meridians sound like superstition to me..."
I've always been very skeptical of acupuncture, reflexology and the likes but I think there might be something to it. If you apply pressure to certain points on the body where there is physical tension (knots in the muscle) then you'll often find a pain that an supposed unrelated area of the body begins to manifest - like pushing a sore spot on the foot an you start to get a shooting pain in the neck or down the arm. I haven't ever checked if these correlate with actual meridians though they do seem to correlate with part of the Qigong breathing circulations - specifically from the shoulders and neck down through the arms.
I think meridians could either be a primitive understanding of the nervous system or they have to do with how our muscle groups and organs relate to one another through posture or movement etc. Getting rid of the tension in the muscles supposedly allows prana / chi to flow more effectively through the body. I think there is something to it, but like I said I haven't done enough investigation yet.
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@modernPrimitive said
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@Aum418 said
"Meridians sound like superstition to me..."I've always been very skeptical of acupuncture, reflexology and the likes but I think there might be something to it. If you apply pressure to certain points on the body where there is physical tension (knots in the muscle) then you'll often find a pain that an supposed unrelated area of the body begins to manifest - like pushing a sore spot on the foot an you start to get a shooting pain in the neck or down the arm. I haven't ever checked if these correlate with actual meridians though they do seem to correlate with part of the Qigong breathing circulations - specifically from the shoulders and neck down through the arms."
They more likely correlate with the nervous structure of the body.
"I think meridians could either be a primitive understanding of the nervous system or they have to do with how our muscle groups and organs relate to one another through posture or movement etc. "
Im gonna go with the formerr interpretation.
"Getting rid of the tension in the muscles supposedly allows prana / chi to flow more effectively through the body. I think there is something to it, but like I said I haven't done enough investigation yet."
Getting rid of tension allows for less stress and more ability to move without hindrance - if you want to call that 'prana' then so be it.
IAO131
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Aum418,
I've studied a bit of Chinese traditional medicine- acupressure and the like, and from what I learned, the western medicine correlative of the eastern meridians is not only the nervous system of the body, but also the vascular system, and muscular system, and even the psychological effects certain kinds of contact with certain body parts have. Just as it's not so easy to translate certain foreign words into simple and accurate English correlatives, it is likewise not so easy to translate foreign physiological concepts into western correlatives.
Also, getting rid of tension in an area does release stress (psychological and physiological), and allow for more ability to move without hindrance. It does a lot more than that, too. Less tension allows the mind to move more freely through that body part, and if you experiment for a while, you may find that where the mind goes, blood and oxygenation (and a feeling of energy) go as well. It removes fatigue and removes pain, and can assist in the body's ability to heal an injury. My guess is that the perceived cause of these effects are what is generally meant by the terms "Chi" and "Prana", both can be translated roughly to mean breath/mind/spirit, which in my experience sounds like a pretty accurate description of what it feels like.