Invoking in the morning and banishing in the evening.
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@anistara said
"i come at it with a hygiene perspective. invoke the day. banish the day. i'm chiming in as wondering what the dangers could possibly be? the main aspect is to make sure you are connecting your pentagram points properly (not to confuse the invoking and banishing) from my pov."
One consequence - I'm not sure I'd call it a danger, and vascillate on whether to call it "undesirable" - is that the invoking ritual can make one highly sensitized and vulnerable, far more open to impressions, etc. In some people's lives, this would put them at a disadvantage in their daily lives (public transit, work environments, etc.).
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oh! i hadn't taken that into account (thanks! i do see that). i think funny maybe, but at this point it seems lopsided to do only one without the other. i shall observe this perspective more fully as i recognize this potential actually...
i'm no pro tho.
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@anistara said
"oh! i hadn't taken that into account. i think funny maybe, but at this point it seems lopsided to do only one without the other.
i'm no pro tho."That wasn't a "correction," it was an observation.
Over the years, I've moved more in the direction of thinking of the invoking as setting the stage for going into a Temple, or settling into inner work under optimal conditions, and the banishing as externalizing, exteriorizing, switching to a shielded or masked condition for functioning in the mundane world. But I'm not convinced I've stated that correctly. There are some principles in there I haven't said as well as I one day hope to say them. But, following this logic, one might elect to do the invoking at the end of one's day (as one moves wholly into the interior), and the banishing at the day's start.
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I know from reading Kraig's Modern Magick that he believes the invoking ritual energizes you too much to go to sleep, hence do it in the morning.
Any thoughts on this? Going by Jim's logic obviously bedtime seems the better choice...
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i think it would take you less than a week of experimentation to find out for yourself whether this affects your ability to sleep.
You may need to distinguish between those bedtimes when you want to go immediately to sleep from those where you want to, y'know, burn off some energy.
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Thanks for posting this topic. This is something that I have been preparing to implement. Jim has provided an interesting take on this, something I had not considered. Very good.
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I've been following the whole discussion from the start but something's still obscur.
From my point of view if i invoke i need to banish after right?If no then i surely miss the purpose of doing the LIRP{gen. i mean}In the need of doing a Wiccan ritual after the invoking Pentagram,like an "you must belong to me" spell, if yes then does the steps will looks like these?
-Quabalistic Cross
-LIRP
_Quabalistic Cross once againAnd after what could be the other parts till i concoct my mix?And most important i don't want to make the LBRP after to disperse all the energies i invoke or it just does'nt matter?
Any help would be highly appreciate
Ps my Avatar's coming
Thx FrankofTzion
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@FrankofTzion said
"From my point of view if i invoke i need to banish after right?"
Not necessarily right after. (That would be the formula of a particular ritual, but not necessarily so for a "general magical hygiene" use of the generic rituals. You can banish at the other end of the day, for example.)
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"That would be the formula of a particular ritual, but not necessarily so for a "general magical hygiene" use of the generic rituals."
What does it means exactely,because i'm still a pre-neophite,i've been doing the LBRP for 3 weeks now,and the Middle Pillar ritual for 4 days.
But now i would like to attract that girl,{my particular ritual}so i expected to do a Wiccan ritual after the LBRP,so the steps i plan to make are thoses ones:
-QC
-LBRP
-QC
-Casting a circle
-Calling the four Watchtowers{as in the Wiccan tradition}but not the Archangels as i already did in the LBRP
-{My precious ritual}
-Recognition to the Watchtowers
-Closing the circleNow the burning question is if i do another LBRP,later,like you said,Thx,does it will banish some of the good Energy i invoque too or does it will only affect the undesirable vibrations i may have invited?
Thanx a lot for your time Jim
FrankofTzion
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You know, if you wanted to, and this might be a bit less "offensive" to your psychic awareness for reasons I will try to explain if others wish me to:
You could banish with the pentagram in the morning, then invoke the element you are most suited to right afterward. This could put your strength in that current and kind of "filter out" all the other elements that might cause psychic problems.
Another suggestion, you could banish first in the morning, then use a hexagram invoking ritual less specific to "attention-distracting" elements and more in line with the day-to-day current of the planets of the hexagram. You could also invoke your specific element, (for instance, mine is Fire,) or you could try to invoke all of them through the hexagram in the appropriate quarters.
Experimenting is the only way to be sure of findings, and repeated findings are the only proof of results.
Peace and Power
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@FrankofTzion said
"Now the burning question is if i do another LBRP,later,like you said,Thx,does it will banish some of the good Energy i invoque too or does it will only affect the undesirable vibrations i may have invited?"
Turning off the engine of your car doesn't undo the fact that you've travelled to your destination.
No, it doesn't undo the spell. The invoking would be part of putting YOU in the right space to pull off the magick. The banishing returns you to your workaday world.
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Man, Jim is straight on on this one.
I am sorry, I've been drinking tonight, but I meant to type that you should finish with banishing and banish as well at night until you find something negative about the pattern.
Unless you wish to talk to elves all day at work, sometimes that is fun though. Nice elves are nice. The copier just might fix itself, you never know.
But it is best to be left like that in environments you are very familiar with including having a "psychological background view" of all the "normal people" that are around you so that you might overpower their "normalcy" in your workings.
Be ready to sneak into a supply closet for a banishing.
You know what's convenient.. if you have a hideaway at work like that, maybe on a roof or something, you can do your banishings/invokings right after Liber Resh. I find meditation and banishings convenient as well as very effective after adoring the Sun at the appropriate time of day.
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@ThelemicMage said
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You could banish with the pentagram in the morning, then invoke the element you are most suited to right afterward.
Another suggestion, you could banish first in the morning, then use a hexagram invoking ritual less specific to "attention-distracting" elements and more in line with the day-to-day current of the planets of the hexagram. You could also invoke your specific element, (for instance, mine is Fire,) or you could try to invoke all of them through the hexagram in the appropriate quarters.Well thank you but thats a litle advance for me,i'm still new with the LBRP,in fact a month of practice,while some recommend 2-6 months of daily banishing ritual,i asked this question because i expect to make a spell and i wasnot sure about the banishing functionning, thank you thats the next step i'm about to study.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Turning off the engine of your car doesn't undo the fact that you've travelled to your destination.
No, it doesn't undo the spell. The invoking would be part of putting YOU in the right space to pull off the magick. The banishing returns you to your workaday world."
Thank you Jim,its clearly explain this way,i'm asking this question because i see somebody was interrogate himself with the same quizz so i search a precise answer,really appreciate.
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@ThelemicMage said
"You know what's convenient.. if you have a hideaway at work like that, maybe on a roof or something, you can do your banishings/invokings right after Liber Resh. I find meditation and banishings convenient as well as very effective after adoring the Sun at the appropriate time of day."
Thank you for your advice,but as i become familiar with the LBRP,in fact i only know this ritual,i'd like for sure to learn new stuff but i just dont know what could be the next steps.In my process wich i learn from Donald Kraig,he too recommend to practice it for at least 2 months i guess before doing the Elements invocation,so thx all for your advice but after only one month of daily LBRP am i at a point that i can incorporate others ritual's works?
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@FrankofTzion said
"In my process wich i learn from Donald Kraig"
Modern Magick was my first book when I was getting into High/Ceremonial Magick. But, as he fortunately said, don't take his word on things. Get more than one perspective. Especially since nearly every ritual in that book is published with blinds in it.
I sort of used his book to find my proper "path" and really haven't looked back at it.
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@FrankofTzion said
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@ThelemicMage said
"You know what's convenient.. if you have a hideaway at work like that, maybe on a roof or something, you can do your banishings/invokings right after Liber Resh. I find meditation and banishings convenient as well as very effective after adoring the Sun at the appropriate time of day."Thank you for your advice,but as i become familiar with the LBRP,in fact i only know this ritual,i'd like for sure to learn new stuff but i just dont know what could be the next steps.In my process wich i learn from Donald Kraig,he too recommend to practice it for at least 2 months i guess before doing the Elements invocation,so thx all for your advice but after only one month of daily LBRP am i at a point that i can incorporate others ritual's works?"
Get the 1st and 2nd issues of Equinox Vol I. (Equinox I: 1st and 2nd issues,) and start from the beginning with the psychic tests with tarot cards.
Crowley designed the Equinox in a very specific way to guide magicians along the true path, gradually having them discover their true Powers.
In the 2nd equinox, there's the pentagram and hexagram rituals. However, I would go through the entire 1st volume to train in meditation, holding thoughts, banishing all thoughts, and growing psychic awareness.
If you want them, I'll surely send them to you, illustrations included.
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You know Takamba, I knew I was wording it wrong when I typed it. I expected a knowledgeable Brother like you to come along and remind me what the installments were called, and so our friend would see what I really meant to say. I will correct it promptly.
Thank you.
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Hey thx Everyone for your advices,but in fact to say you the thruth my theorics knowledge come from a bit of Regardie,Fortune,Matthers,Bradon,Donald Kraig,Chic and Tabatha Cicero,SAW,{and of course Mr. Crowley}but now i cant say Him is my favorite or Him but when it comes to practice i'm liltte confused where to next two steps are?
ANd thank you Thelemic Mage i just download the full 1st volume of Crowley's work,but i have so much reading to do,why i much choose Him instead of Him?
And thank you too Skia ,but actually donald Kraig don't blind me at all,he's for me the best synthesis about Western Tradition Mysterias,if you know a better one,even if i dont like the word better,don't hesitate.
Really appreciate
FrankofTzion