Middle Pillar: first attempt.
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Hard to say if it's too much, but it's way more than generally recommended.
I usually recommend three vibrations on the first pass, and maybe a single-vibration pass to follow (just to get a sense of a swifter stepping down). I would say go for it once you have the sphere formulated, rather than spending 5 minutes of contemplation. (The whole thing usually takes about 5 minutes.)
If this approach works without nausea, then I'd say, yeah, you were straining too hard.
PS - It's EE AH OH, not YEE AH OH.
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@MMe said
"Today I tried the MP, following the instructions of Mr Eshelman and Regardie:
- size and position of the Spheres by Mr Eshelman
- colours(white) and time (5 minutes on each Sephirah) as suggested by Regardie.
But when I was on Malkuth, arouse in me a sense of nausea and I started to sweat more than normal.
Focusing on each Sephirah for 5 minutes, I vibrates each name 11 times. Too much?
I chanting the syllables so:
EH HEH YEE YEH
YOHD HEY VAV HEY EH LOH HI YEE M
YEE AH OH
SHAH DA YEE EH L CHA YEE
AH DOH NAH YEE HA EH REH ZRight?"
I'm no expert, but I have been at the MP for over a year now. I guess my venturing an opinion is just me taking the opportunity to put my thoughts on the practice into some sort of form. So the post is as much for my benefit as yours, and maybe it will be helpful.
Now that you have taken the first step and actually started practicing, might I suggest beginning to trust your own experiences, and look for ways to 'connect' with an experience. There are enough variations in print out there to clearly indicate that people have, within some limits, adjusted the technique to suit their individual predilections.
When I started it was my habit to spend more time on the individual centers and the practice as a whole than what seemed to be indicated in the accounts I had read because it took me longer to get a good sense of the individual centers—waking them up and feeling them as active. Regrdie mentions something in the neighborhood of a half hour for the entire procedure, but I have never come in under 45 minutes. The reason for my taking longer now has shifted from wanting to get it right to getting lost in the experience—sometimes I will wake up to the fact that I have been giving myself over to experiencing the crown center for what I can only image is an exceptional amount of time. This is something I now believe I should work on. Taking time and really immersing ones self in the energies is one thing, but being able to accomplish a fair activation of the pillar in an economical amount of time is another. It is my plan to add a session later in the day that is only about the economy of the execution as a way to challenge myself to do as much as I can in less time.
I used to physically vibrate the names many times, now I vocalize them three times, and then again one to three more times internally, in the imagination. But I am still tweaking the technique and making little experiments in this regard in an attempt to find the best way of connecting with the individual centers and the Middle Pillar as a whole.
All of this is to say that you can safely follow your own intuitions in determining what works best as long as you don't hide from the work itself—just kind of going through the motions with a not so secret desire to get it over with. As such, It is my considered opinion that you should take as long as you need to take as long as you don't burn out because the practice has become too much of a chore. It will be a matter of discipline to continue the practice of several months or years, so be prepared to adjust your efforts in terms of duration and intensity with your current capacity for work, always with the idea of extending yourself further down the road.
My thoughts on the nausea is that it might be caused by hyperventilation—breathing too fast and too anxiously.
Love and Will
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I tried as written in the 776 1/2, all the Sephiroth in white, and I found more smooth and fluent, and I didn't felt nausea
But it can be done 776 1/2's method standalone: i.e. only LBRP + MP + Circulation of the Light, not to empower a particular rite? Only as a separate exercise?
I did it as Regardie suggested (focusing on each Sephirah for 5 minutes, vibrates each name 11 times)only for this purpose.
Should be started only with white color or I can started with the different colors?
How many times(right-left/front-back/spiral)each Circulation is to perform?@Jim Eshelman said
"PS - It's EE AH OH, not YEE AH OH."
Thanks.
@RobertAllen said
"All of this is to say that you can safely follow your own intuitions in determining what works best as long as you don't hide from the work itself—just kind of going through the motions with a not so secret desire to get it over with. As such, It is my considered opinion that you should take as long as you need to take as long as you don't burn out because the practice has become too much of a chore. It will be a matter of discipline to continue the practice of several months or years, so be prepared to adjust your efforts in terms of duration and intensity with your current capacity for work, always with the idea of extending yourself further down the road"
Right! Thanks.
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@MMe said
"I tried as written in the 776 1/2, all the Sephiroth in white, and I found more smooth and fluent, and I didn't felt nausea
"Excellent. I consider that a good variation for starting. (I think you might have found this in one of the sample rituals. Notice that the version in the Appendix is different. Regardless, starting with all white is a great place to start.)
"But it can be done 776 1/2's method standalone: i.e. only LBRP + MP + Circulation of the Light, not to empower a particular rite? Only as a separate exercise?"
Yes, of course. Again, see the version that starts on p. 175.
"I did it as Regardie suggested (focusing on each Sephirah for 5 minutes, vibrates each name 11 times)only for this purpose."
I'm not familiar with those extra steps (the 11x and the 5 minute focus). - Or I'm forgetting. - In which book did you find that particular instruction?
"How many times(right-left/front-back/spiral)each Circulation is to perform?"
Whatever feels right. A few times. At the extreme, no more than 5 minutes (and not necessarily that long).
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@MMe said
"But it can be done 776 1/2's method standalone: i.e. only LBRP + MP + Circulation of the Light, not to empower a particular rite? Only as a separate exercise?"Yes, of course. Again, see the version that starts on p. 175."
Ok, thanks.
@Jim Eshelman said
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@MMe said
"I did it as Regardie suggested (focusing on each Sephirah for 5 minutes, vibrates each name 11 times)only for this purpose."I'm not familiar with those extra steps (the 11x and the 5 minute focus). - Or I'm forgetting. - In which book did you find that particular instruction?"
I find it in the "Middle Pillar" book, but Regardie don't says to do 11 times, I calculate it!
He says only to focusing 5 minutes on each Sephirah.
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"I find it in the "Middle Pillar" book, but Regardie don't says to do 11 times, I calculate it!
He says only to focusing 5 minutes on each Sephirah.
So I calculate 5minutes = 11 times vibration/chanting."That is one of my favorite books by him, and I know the method your talking about. I have had some great results with that technique, but I stopped doing it as much to focus on other things, because it is time consuming. But is really great for aura work. After the MP technique, I would do the rotation of the ball of light front to back about 5 times, and the same with left to right, then spiral, then bursting out of the head if I remember correctly.
It's a lot of work with manipulating energy, so I wouldn't give too much time at first or you may experience other uncomfortable side affects. Other variations of the MP by Regardie can be found in another great favorite of mine "The Art of Healing". It's a small book, but very rich. He has an elemental variation, and a universal one if that's what you call it. Plus techniques of using the MP for healing.
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@BRKHM said
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@MMe said
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I chanting the syllables so:
EH HEH YEE YEH
YOHD HEY VAV HEY EH LOH HI YEE M
YEE AH OH
SHAH DA YEE EH L CHA YEE
AH DOH NAH YEE HA EH REH ZRight?"
I use to say "YOHD HEY VAU HEY" not "YOHD HEY VAV HEY", but maybe i'm wrong."
Hmm...I Haven't pronounced it as VAU without a short V at the end. But another variation is in one of the Gold Dawn tapes where Israel Regardie is performing the LBRP, and he pronouces them as "Yoh [de] Hey Vav [ve] Hey". 6 syllables, not 4 for that version
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@RobertAllen said
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Taking time and really immersing ones self in the energies is one thing, but being able to accomplish a fair activation of the pillar in an economical amount of time is another. It is my plan to add a session later in the day that is only about the economy of the execution as a way to challenge myself to do as much as I can in less time."Everyone has their own way of doing things, but I think one should especially focus on the relationship between effectiveness and time.
Doing things in a more fluid way.
Awareness and the visualization skill comes from self.@RobertAllen said
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My thoughts on the nausea is that it might be caused by hyperventilation—breathing too fast and too anxiously.
"It may be possible, probably too many vibrations at once for a noob
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I've always found a great deal more of visualization and intensity happen with the eyes closed. Especially so with the Middle Pillar Ritual. Having my eyes closed and just visualizing everything always seems to have better results than spinning in circles, waving wands, and physically vibrating names. However, if someone is just getting started they'll probably want to do it physically before doing it eyes closed/mentally so that you can train your brain to act how it's supposed to act even without the physical movement.
Also, I've started doing a variant of the Middle Pillar Ritual in a different way than most of my buddies. I just wanted to run it past some of you guys to see if you had any advice, tips, or tricks. I just feel like sharing something, so there's that too.
I vibrate names, visualizes colors for each body part, and I do this 2-4 times before moving onto the next one. When I get to the bottom I repeat this process but in reverse, working my way back up. Once I make it all the way back up, I feel like there's a very massive concentrated surge of energy going through me.
Before, when I didn't work back upwards, I'd just feel energy pulsating downwards changing colors for each section.
When I work going back upwards, I really seem to lose myself and just feel a long vine of energy descending from an unimaginable height to unknown depths. Like I'm finishing a circuit on a board, instead of simply grounding that electricity.
My only real question is, am I defeating the purpose of the Middle Pillar? I feel like it's doing what it's supposed to (what I perceive the intent should be.) I just haven't read anyone else doing it this way, so I wanted to see if anyone else had similar experiences.