Thoughts on Thelemic Government
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I don´t meant exactly to the sacrifice, but the life on the island the cop is seeing along the movie, etc. It isn´t an utopia, clearly, in fact most of the things are taken from european pagan traditions still alive in that moment, but the idea of the island like an independent place with his own laws and so on fits with that idea. The sacrifice thing it´s the only thing that turns things to the superstition and makes you questioning all you have seen, until that moment, all ok.
The recent movie The Cabin in the Woods touch the theme of the sacrifice very well too, making a relationship between old aeonic sacrifice and governamental control over the mankind. Very similar to the end of The Wicker Man in some sense, with sacrifices and suffering and complex rituals (as victims do it by their "own choice") to appease the wrath of the Ancient Gods and so on, with the excuse of "to save mankind".
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I was thinking that the similarities between The Wicker Man and THe Cabin in the Woods could be more than the most evidents of the sacrifice and the social ritual thing, but they would be difficult to explain without enter in too much details and so on. I only would say that I think that "The Cabin" goes much far away and have a more radical conclusion (and sort of surprising coming from a superproduction): that better is the destruction of the whole human race by it´s own destructive old essence, than the perpetuation of a lie based on the "management" of suffering by a social elite, for try to appease the wrath of that Ancient Gods, the old destructive essence of the human being.
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I agree that the following is just about as Thelemic a statement as I've ever read:
"We the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution..."
(Do you see the Qabalistic pattern btw... the six ideas centered around Tiphereth?)
It's all in the implementation then. And one must admit that after 200+ years there is still tweaking required.
But when compared to the whole course of human history, it has still been enormous progress, a platform for going further. (Churchill, of course, always comes to mind in this regard.)
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The mad men of a lot of countries envy you yankees for your facility for to have guns. The second amedment, in fact, had originally the purpouse of take care of the population if the government would became corrupt. That way people could defense themselves from opression and so on. I don´t remember the details, but that was the essence, anyway I suppose that it´s well knowed thing. Today there´s the discussion about the fire weapons, but well the thing has got much more complicated than in the past, or that it seems.
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@kasper81 said
"Churchill was an elitist i.e. fascist so I don't get that reference."
Churchill: "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
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Looking far into the future, the shackle of the peoples shall be their imagination
The only limiting factor among a succession of infinities
Moving, along the current, of ideas as the highest priced commodity
Where economies no longer flow outward, inward
Through the center, the hearts of the people
Spawning lovely flowers of dark & dreadful hues
In virtual temples they gather, to mutter platitudes
While their great god remains silent in solitude
Students caught in the rapture vicarious
They need not meditate, He meditates for them
THE BLISSFUL DISPORA
Final gift of the Human Instrumentality Project -
Since I introduced him to the conversation, I thought you were asking for clarification on what I meant. I was referring directly to that quote.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"I agree that the following is just about as Thelemic a statement as I've ever read:
"We the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution..."
(Do you see the Qabalistic pattern btw... the six ideas centered around Tiphereth?)
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Though it seems to have been completely overlooked, I find this fascinating.
I see the six, but I have a hard time distinguishing their direct correspondences to either the planetary hexagram or to the sephiroth.
Do you see direct correspondences in the statements? And if so, would you mind listing them?
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to form a more perfect union = Y'sod
(cohesiveness of mass-mind, connection at level of subconsciousness)to establish justice = Hod
(the least persuasive, but an easy enough fit when all the others fit: codification, a series of laws - an old usage wherein Hod receives from Diyn)to insure domestic tranquility = Netzach, of course
to provide for the common defense = Geboorah, of course
to promote the general welfare = Hesed, of course
to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity = Biynah, of course
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@kasper81 said
"how is Netzach domestic tranquillity? or Hod justice? or liberty Binah?"
Netzach is Venus.
Hod... I explained specifically.
Biynah is inherently liberty - that's the spiritual experience of the grade. But more pointedly, the underlying character motivation of Saturn is personal autonomy. Think of it in the "leave me the F alone to do my own thing" sort of way. (It's a planet of governance, but, when owned, that makes it self-governance.)
BTW, if it makes you feel better (or bring it to a simpler framework), don't think of the sefiyroth so much as the planets Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn. (Better?)
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@Rudolf Steiner said
"If you go back to ancient times - who were the governing types then? Initiates. The Egyptian Pharaohs, the Babylonian rulers, the Asiatic rulers - they were initiates. Then the priest-type emerged as ruler and the priest-type was really the ruler right up to the Reformation and the Renaissance. Since that time the economist has been in command. Rulers are in fact merely the handymen, the understrappers of the economists.One must not imagine that the rulers of modern times are anything but the understrappers of the economists. And all that has resulted by way of law and justice — one should only study it carefully — is simply a consequence of what economically oriented men have thought. In the nineteenth century the “economical” man is replaced for the first time by the man thinking in terms of banking, and in the nineteenth century there is created for the first time the organization of finance which swamps every other relationship. One must only be able to look into these things and follow them up empirically and practically. “
"the blind leading the blind!!!