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@SerpentSeed123 said
"^ I've done both and like I said I'm really unsure
Would Yoga or anything that expands my consciousness help?"Step 4, as provided above.
There is, however, a secret way to expand your consciousness and discover your interests without having to figure them out for yourself. These ways are infinitely magickal and have been kept secret by the FBI, CIA, and the OTO for centuries.
It does have to do with Yoga. First stand on your head and say the following:
"I A O I call upon ye, O great Nuit!
I A O I call upon ye, O great Hadit!
I A O I call upon ye, O great Aiwass!
Lend unto me your divine wisdom, O great entities."Light a hula-hoop on fire and jump through it six times. Then, balance a rubber ball on your nose until someone gives you a fish, which you will then eat--do this six times. Finally, stand on your right leg with your left arm straight up in the air, and face Israel. Roll your eyes back into your head and imagine yourself as swimming in a school of fish. Trouts and salmon are the best visuals. Imagine yourself having sex with all the boy trouts/salmons, and then all the girl ones. Light six hundred sixty-six candles in a perfect circle around you and do somesaults around the circumference six full times (no more and no less, otherwise the ceremony will fail).
Sacrifice a lamb or small cat and write Aleph-Yodh-Nun on a white T-shirt, and then don the t-shirt. Drink the remaining blood. Make sure it dribbles down your face and mingles with the blood currently depicting Hebrew letters on your T-shirt. Repeat the above chant and sacrifice a cow, chanting the obvious Hindu prayers as you do so. Do this six times.
Place a copy of Aleister Crowley's "777" in the center of the candle-circle. Place a copy of the Holy Bible atop it, and finally, a copy of Gertrude Chandler Warner's "The Boxcar Children" atop that. Sanctify this pile of literature by falling to your knees and worshipping it for six hours, six minutes, and six seconds. Any more or any less will cause the ceremony to fail.
Leaving the candles lit, go to sleep. If all goes according to plan, you will have a dream. This dream will involve shadows, demons, and you may have images of your residence burning down around you. Upon awakening, you must immediately begin meditating upon the dream. If you meditate on this dream for six hours, six minutes, and six seconds straight--at the complete and utter expense of all other subjects/needs--the Gods will bestow upon you a thought. This thought will be presented with complete and absolute clarity. In this case, you will hear the words "I like men" or "I like women" resonating through your head, depending on whichever notion your subconsiousness is inclined toward. Thus you shall have your answer.
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@SerpentSeed123 said
"^ I've done both and like I said I'm really unsure Would Yoga or anything that expands my consciousness help?"I get the idea that you're looking for a quick answer. It doesn't usually work that way. This sort of thing clarifies over time, and continues to present new aspects of itself throughout your entire life.
I also think you're still trying to stick labels on yourself. "Let me get this thing decided once and for all!" I think the labels are likely to cause you at least frustration, if not actual pain.
How about going forth into life with a sense of how much you don't know about yourself, and the delight of having your entire life ahead of you to figure them out."
It's true that. I get really stressed or anxious not knowing certain things, and the OCD doesn't help which is why someone said I should try Yoga because it helps with anxiety etc. I'll take your advice on board and try to put it into practice. I sound like a right idiot to be honest
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@SerpentSeed123 said
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@SerpentSeed123 said
"^ I've done both and like I said I'm really unsure Would Yoga or anything that expands my consciousness help?"I get the idea that you're looking for a quick answer. It doesn't usually work that way. This sort of thing clarifies over time, and continues to present new aspects of itself throughout your entire life.
I also think you're still trying to stick labels on yourself. "Let me get this thing decided once and for all!" I think the labels are likely to cause you at least frustration, if not actual pain.
How about going forth into life with a sense of how much you don't know about yourself, and the delight of having your entire life ahead of you to figure them out."
It's true that. I get really stressed or anxious not knowing certain things, and the OCD doesn't help which is why someone said I should try Yoga because it helps with anxiety etc. I'll take your advice on board and try to put it into practice. I sound like a right idiot to be honest
"Haveing just publicly confessed that you've accepted some fool giving you the label "OCD" (which I suspect now means you are religiously taking their pills), you do sound like right idiot to be honest.
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Ha! Least your being honest;) So I'm guessing you think it doesn't exist ? and yes, I'm on Mirtazapine ... though to be honest, smoking the weed helped more :L
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OCD, ADHD, and slew of other letters are thrown around as convenience in the psychiatric world because big pharma pays the bills on the academic level. And if your intent is to be a man of letters, you need those pills to support you.
Yes. I'm highly suspect of your diagnosis. For one thing, it shows a failure to succeed in the first part of Crowley's big blue opus variously known as Magick. The first part is called mysticism and it teaches you to sit still and take control of yourself. My understanding of someone who is diagnosed with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is that they can't have a will of their own. If you truly believe that, you're in the wrong playground me thinks.
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@Takamba said
"OCD, ADHD, and slew of other letters are thrown around as convenience in the psychiatric world because big pharma pays the bills on the academic level. And if your intent is to be a man of letters, you need those pills to support you.
Yes. I'm highly suspect of your diagnosis. For one thing, it shows a failure to succeed in the first part of Crowley's big blue opus variously known as Magick. The first part is called mysticism and it teaches you to sit still and take control of yourself. My understanding of someone who is diagnosed with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is that they can't have a will of their own. If you truly believe that, you're in the wrong playground me thinks."
I've only been into 'Spirituality/Thelema' since November so I've got alot to do. What do YOU suggest I should do then ? Stop trying to discover my goal, my path, my will ?
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@SerpentSeed123 said
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@Takamba said
"OCD, ADHD, and slew of other letters are thrown around as convenience in the psychiatric world because big pharma pays the bills on the academic level. And if your intent is to be a man of letters, you need those pills to support you.Yes. I'm highly suspect of your diagnosis. For one thing, it shows a failure to succeed in the first part of Crowley's big blue opus variously known as Magick. The first part is called mysticism and it teaches you to sit still and take control of yourself. My understanding of someone who is diagnosed with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is that they can't have a will of their own. If you truly believe that, you're in the wrong playground me thinks."
I've only been into 'Spirituality/Thelema' since November so I've got alot to do. What do YOU suggest I should do then ? Stop trying to discover my goal, my path, my will ?"
What little I know about you will get in the way. I'm not medically trained so I can't tell you what to do about your prescription but I personally would prefer you suspect your doctor is wrong and see what you can do about it. I recommend you practice sitting still, silent, and controlling your self. I recommend you practice controlling your thoughts and actions with thoughts and actions (fight fire with fire) and not with pills. I recommend you read and do the practices in Jim's "The Mystical and Magical System of the A .'. A .'." book because even though I've never read it I'm convinced it has everything you need, and also I recommend Israel Regardie's "One Year Manual" because I have read it and it has everything too.
I recommend Crowley's Liber ABA (Magick : Book Four) because it does have everything. Do the exercises. Make this your obsession. Don't argue about the words, take Crowley on Crowley's terms. In other words, there are no short cuts.
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@Takamba said
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@SerpentSeed123 said
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@Takamba said
"OCD, ADHD, and slew of other letters are thrown around as convenience in the psychiatric world because big pharma pays the bills on the academic level. And if your intent is to be a man of letters, you need those pills to support you.Yes. I'm highly suspect of your diagnosis. For one thing, it shows a failure to succeed in the first part of Crowley's big blue opus variously known as Magick. The first part is called mysticism and it teaches you to sit still and take control of yourself. My understanding of someone who is diagnosed with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is that they can't have a will of their own. If you truly believe that, you're in the wrong playground me thinks."
I've only been into 'Spirituality/Thelema' since November so I've got alot to do. What do YOU suggest I should do then ? Stop trying to discover my goal, my path, my will ?"
What little I know about you will get in the way. I'm not medically trained so I can't tell you what to do about your prescription but I personally would prefer you suspect your doctor is wrong and see what you can do about it. I recommend you practice sitting still, silent, and controlling your self. I recommend you practice controlling your thoughts and actions with thoughts and actions (fight fire with fire) and not with pills. I recommend you read and do the practices in Jim's "The Mystical and Magical System of the A .'. A .'." book because even though I've never read it I'm convinced it has everything you need, and also I recommend Israel Regardie's "One Year Manual" because I have read it and it has everything too.
I recommend Crowley's Liber ABA (Magick : Book Four) because it does have everything. Do the exercises. Make this your obsession. Don't argue about the words, take Crowley on Crowley's terms. In other words, there are no short cuts."
See, that's the reply I've been waiting for! At long last! I'll try it out. See what happens!
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PS. I bought Abrahadabra: Understanding Aleister Crowley's Thelemic Magick and that'll be coming tomorrow, any opinions on that text?
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@SerpentSeed123 said
"PS. I bought Abrahadabra: Understanding Aleister Crowley's Thelemic Magick and that'll be coming tomorrow, any opinions on that text?"
It's a very good primer on the subject. I certainly recommend it for dumbing down Thelema, but make no mistake that your mind and imagination and soul will get along much further when you read Crowley's words.
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@SerpentSeed123 said
"PS. I bought Abrahadabra: Understanding Aleister Crowley's Thelemic Magick and that'll be coming tomorrow, any opinions on that text?"
I haven't seen the book. However, I have zero respect for anything I've ever seen from the author. (Admittedly, what I've seen may not be representative of his material overall.)
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Crowley himself is quite confusing, for me anyway, so I figured that this book would suit my needs for this time. I'll quote the Bible in which Paul talks about milk and meat, meat being the hard doctrine to digest, and the milk being the easy, that's where I am at the moment with Crowley/Thelema
PS. Thanks for the head's up Jim! I'll message you or something once I've read it and tell you what I thought. It seems like a beginners guide, so I know it's not going to be too complex but I hope it isn't too watered down.
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@Takamba said
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@SerpentSeed123 said
"^ I've done both and like I said I'm really unsure Would Yoga or anything that expands my consciousness help?"Maybe it would less confusing if you just decided you enjoy both."
I love people,
I love happy people, kind people
Healthy people, energetic people.I would not restrict my love to say,
I am hetro
Or homo
Or bi.Love is the Law
And if you love one fella, and what ever charateistics he brought to your relationship.....you are blessed.And if you love some lady, and what ever she brought to the relationship, you are blessed.
And if you love whole football team, or rock band, or horde of demons, you are blessed, because you love and are loved in return.
By first mastering yourself, and giving yourself love, receiving your love and being in love, you will then be better able to see who you want to love outside of yourself.
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@Veronica said
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@Takamba said
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@SerpentSeed123 said
"^ I've done both and like I said I'm really unsure Would Yoga or anything that expands my consciousness help?"Maybe it would less confusing if you just decided you enjoy both."
I love people,
I love happy people, kind people
Healthy people, energetic people.I would not restrict my love to say,
I am hetro
Or homo
Or bi.Love is the Law
And if you love one fella, and what ever charateistics he brought to your relationship.....you are blessed.And if you love some lady, and what ever she brought to the relationship, you are blessed.
And if you love whole football team, or rock band, or horde of demons, you are blessed, because you love and are loved in return.
By first mastering yourself, and giving yourself love, receiving your love and being in love, you will then be better able to see who you want to love outside of yourself."
Good advice
I'm also Pisces, and according to most sources, our sexuality and life is mainly fantasy-driven, which really makes sense to me when I look back on those I've been with; it's been driven by some fantasy I had in my head at that time, and not necessarily the person's looks, or gender. I'm a complicated bugger! -
long time no see, dear Stars of the Temple
glad to see you all here and kickin'!@SerpentSeed123 said
"Good advice
I'm also Pisces, and according to most sources, our sexuality and life is mainly fantasy-driven, which really makes sense to me when I look back on those I've been with; it's been driven by some fantasy I had in my head at that time, and not necessarily the person's looks, or gender. I'm a complicated bugger!"to stir this pot a bit more: are you sure you are Pisces, Serpent?
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I've been thinking about you!
Hope you had a beautiful and fun birthday party the other day.
I got to celebrate my sons 11 th the other day.
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@Veronica said
"I've been thinking about you!
Hope you had a beautiful and fun birthday party the other day.
I got to celebrate my sons 11 th the other day.
You have been missed here."thanks, Veronica!
the childern's parties are always fun - especially for the children (where's that head upside-down smiley when you need it?!)
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
@Jim Eshelman said
"I very strongly recommend the following book, as the best thing I've ever found on the subject of discovering your True Will (though not at all under that language): Let Your Life Speak by Parker J. Palmer.""
After reading what was quoted and seeing I was able to get it for under $8 with shipping, I couldn't pass this one up. This work seems so fantastically concise, like another great book to grow old with and sink in repeated readings.
Thank you for sharing your strong recommendations, Jim!
EDIT: I thought I would note that this book was written only 13 years ago, and the author still seems to be alive and well today, by my measure; a rare property, generally speaking, for anything I would deem worthy of further study.
Love is the law, love under will.
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@SerpentSeed123 said
"I'm a newbie to Thelema [since November] and I'm really fascinated about discovering my True Will. I'm also curious about freeing the desires of my subconscious mind from the control of my conscious mind *.
How would one go about discovering their True Will? What books would you suggest I buy to start out with? I'm getting the Book of the Law obviously, what else?
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The answer, I'm afraid, is very simple: "F-ck and be f-cked!" (Forgive the censor.)
Ovid's "Ars Amatoria" is an excellent primer on the subject.
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Or, as he would say it: "To be loved, be lovable."
(I would quote the passage, at length, in the original Latin, but I'm afraid my copy of the work--and my brains--are half a planet away. So good luck. And use protection!)
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Okay, okay, I'm really having to dig deep here, as I have to copy-and-paste the translated Latin text on a Greek computer, but here's another gem I found online:
"Whether they give or refuse, it delights women just the same to have been asked. "
You should really check out the rest of the book. It was so good it got him banished from the Roman Empire. (Augustus was really such a prude! Probably a Virgo. [No offence, Jim.
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I was reading through this discussion and kept waiting for sex magick to come up. Normally I would try to pontificate here, but I am very new to my research in sex magick and it seems to have all kinds of different definitions and approach.
From the sexual enlightenment of tantra to the use of sexual energy (orgasm) in pursuit of non-sexual outcomes.
I would like to hear how folks on this forum would weigh in on the interplay of sex magick and the true will.
Any takers?