LBRP Questions
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@Dar said
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@MMe said
"Also in the invocation of the Archangels the arms are to be full straight?"Why? Have your Archangels ever complained about your less than straight arms? Hmmm?"
I know my questions are silly
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"Also in the invocation of the Archangels the arms are to be full straight?
"That's correct. There are various explanations for this that could be offered, but a simple one is that it emphasizes the movement of energy or light to the extremes of your own aura.
"The Archangels and the pentagrams are to be visualized fused together?"
No, definitely not. The visualizations should be maintained as separate things, occurring on separate planes.
When I utter the final phrase of the invocatory segment ("For about me flames the pentagram... etc.") I don't hold the image of the Archangels in mind at all. They've been called in, or you might say "have been noticed yet again," and they remain in position. That last part before going once again into "Attah-Aiwass-Malkuth" is a point when you see your own being as central within the arrangement of the pentagrams, and dominated or lit by a central hexagram.
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@Edward Mason said
"When I utter the final phrase of the invocatory segment ("For about me flames the pentagram... etc.") I don't hold the image of the Archangels in mind at all."
Until now I've tried to visualize all together... I'll try tonight, thanks.
In "Black Pearl" and in "776 1/2" there is no explanation about it.@MMe said
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@MMe said
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I'm starting with "Techniques Of High Magic"(Skinner/King) then put aside for your "776 1/2", Black Pearl, In the Continum and Regardie's "Middle Pillar"."That explans why I couldn't figure out what you were doing - you're doing everybody! <vbg>"
From what I understand it, except for the Thelemic addition, are all the same ritual."
I just finished re-reading the "The Continuum" version and is a little different...
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very very noob questions, excuse me...
@MMe said
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- [:230rc9zz]The Kether center is situated just over the forehead or a little behind?[/
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[:230rc9zz]In the Qabalistic Cross the shaft of white light that goes from Kether to Malkuth is the same as the MP? Is to be visualized as the latter? Slightly in front of me and don't within me, right?[/230rc9zz]
[:230rc9zz]The hexagram is 2d or 3d? Should have a little thickness/depth?[/230rc9zz]
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@Edward Mason said
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When I utter the final phrase of the invocatory segment ("For about me flames the pentagram... etc.") I don't hold the image of the Archangels in mind at all. They've been called in, or you might say "have been noticed yet again," and they remain in position.
"But when I recall the pentagrams is it not to be intendet that the pentagrams ban the archangels?
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@MMe said
"But when I recall the pentagrams is it not to be intendet that the pentagrams ban the archangels?"
I don't understand what you mean by "recall the pentagrams" - but, in any case, there is never any intention to ban the archangels.
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Another question
When performing the LBRP outside at sunrise, facing due east is not where the sun is rising. Should a person face the direction or where the sun is actually rising on the horizon?
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It's not per se about facing the Sun. East (in the broad sense of the whole eastern half of the sky) is where all light always originates. Due east is that direction toward which your exact location is moving in space, by virtue of the earth's rotation.
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Thank you for your rapid response.
I ask the question because I have the opportunity to be outside and watch the sun rise nearly every day. Practicing the LBRP directionally seems odd to me when I can clearly see the sun rising about 30 degrees to my right. I am wondering if there is any additional benefit by directly facing the sun standing at samech and pe? -
@MMe said
"Where is to be visualize the hexagram?
At which point exactly?"I did the question, a bit stupid
, because I realized, a few days ago, that in English it says "in the column" while in the translation that I have studied and used for years, is "above me", and I, therefore, visualize the hexagram above me.
Then I read the book of David Shoemaker(I also have your book, but does not say anything about it), and he says to visualize the hexagram at the heart.So I'm a bit confusing...
@Fr Cognosco cum Lux
Thanks for the answer.
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There are variations.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"There are variations.
"Thanks.
So if I visualize the hexagram above me, is it to visualize one below me too?
As a reference, the blazing sphere, visualized during the Qabalistic Cross, is to display a few inches above the head, the hexagram has to stay at that height, or higher? -
@MMe said
"So if I visualize the hexagram above me, is it to visualize one below me too?"
That was Crowley's recommendations, yes.
"As a reference, the blazing sphere, visualized during the Qabalistic Cross, is to display a few inches above the head, the hexagram has to stay at that height, or higher?"
No specific height is specified. It always seemed to me that it was much higher than that - marking "the height" per se, with the other at a balanced distance below. (I never visualized it thus in physical space, so I can't give you anything concrete about distance - by the time I hit that point in the ritual, I'm so removed from any physical orientation that it actually never occurred to me to think of it in terms of distance. In over 30 years, you're the first person I recall ever asking anything about distance.)
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For me, the Hexagram forms the walls of a column that surrounds me and extends infinitely up and down. When I transition from building the pentagram circle to invoking the archangels, the circle forms a sphere around me so the hexagram column does intersect that sphere above and below me and forms an impression on the sphere. To that extent, in my version, the hexagrams exist above and below at the same distance as the pentagrams exist around me.
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So...
Isn't the hexagram representative of the HGA and the Sun just above you?
Is it possible(as much as anything is possible) to attain K&CHGA via LBRP exclusively, without Abramelin or even BRH? Recommended? -
Beyond my pay grade but... fwiw, afaik anything is a possible route to k&chga. Even intentional overuse of acronyms. If lbrp is a powerful ritual for you (probably with some emendations since you don't want it banishing your hga along with everything else) write a magickal oath and put it to work. Invoke often!
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Has anyone ever visualized the pentagrams before them vs drawing them. I imagine my hand to
be at the center and use the appropriate color and intent.I mean the Pentagram is just as created as any other right? But I suppose you could argue that the action
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The sequence of tracing the lines distinguishes exactly which forces are being invoked or banishing.