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Tree of Life- Averse Reflection

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  • F Freya

    I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

    http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

    Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

    Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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    Freya
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    Did Crowley do a similar diagram for the qliphoth?

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    • F Freya

      I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

      http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

      Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

      Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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      Jim Eshelman
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      @Freya said

      "Did Crowley do a similar diagram for the qliphoth?"

      I don't remember one offhand.

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      • F Freya

        I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

        http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

        Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

        Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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        Faust
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        For a guy reputed to be “evil”, Crowley seems to have written very little on the qliphoth.

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        • F Freya

          I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

          http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

          Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

          Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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          Jim Eshelman
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          @Faus said

          "For a guy reputed to be “evil”, Crowley seems to have written very little on the qliphoth."

          He catalogued them. But nowhere in any system he produced or taught is there any direct work with them required - with one exception: At least one key astral investigation of the Q'lippoth is included in every exam he ever issued for moving from Neophyte 1=10 to Zelator 2=9 in A.'.A.'.. It's long been recognized as one of the key elements of that final exam.

          One of the holy books addresses them tangentially. You can find his confrontation of some of them throughout The Vision & the Voice. Other things here and there. He also taught methods and approaches to life that tend to release the living energy locked in old lifeless forms, which mostly makes the matter a moot point most of the time.

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          • F Freya

            I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

            http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

            Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

            Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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            Freya
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            did Abramelin talk about them?

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            • F Freya

              I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

              http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

              Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

              Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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              Jim Eshelman
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              @Freya said

              "did Abramelin talk about them?"

              Not under that name, and it doesn't seem to me that the "Abramelin demons" (less judgmentally: spirits) are not the same as Q'lippoth.

              Q'lippoth are residual lifeless forms that are still retained. They shouldn't be confused with "demons" in general.

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              • F Freya

                I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                Freya
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                Aha!!! Now it makes sense!!! 😀 😀 😀
                THANK YOU!!!!

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                • F Freya

                  I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                  http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                  Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                  Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                  Freya
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                  @Jim said

                  " For example, the 11-headed serpent symbolizes many things, including shadow elements that ascend the Tree with us (our shadow content increasing with us as we increase in light, at least below the Abyss)."

                  Jim, I was thinking about your words and asked myself how is this possible? Is it because the more we know the more potential we have to do serious harm? By ascending the Tree do you mean walking the paths and spheres?

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                  • F Freya

                    I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                    http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                    Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                    Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                    Jim Eshelman
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                    Increasing n "spirituality" does not, by itself, resolve negative patterns. It may alter our perspectives so that we, in turn, undertake to resolve old patterns, but this doesn't happen automatically.

                    So, as we grow, we just become expanded versions of the same critter that we were at the beginning. "Great people have great flaws: Everything about them is great." To change old patterns we have to actually place attention n changing old patterns, not just "increase in Light."

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                    • F Freya

                      I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                      http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                      Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                      Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                      Freya
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                      Thank you Jim, that makes a lot of sense. Regarding the Tree and its averse reflection, are there any Angel - Demons correspondences? i.e. seraphim, cherubim and their averse correspondences to the spheres?

                      I am trying to use the tree as a cosmic filing cabinet 😄

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                      • F Freya

                        I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                        http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                        Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                        Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                        Jim Eshelman
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                        @Freya said

                        "Thank you Jim, that makes a lot of sense. Regarding the Tree and its averse reflection, are there any Angel - Demons correspondences? i.e. seraphim, cherubim and their averse correspondences to the spheres?

                        I am trying to use the tree as a cosmic filing cabinet 😄"

                        The primary correspondences to the aversely reflected Tree are the Q'lippoth.

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                        • F Freya

                          I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                          http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                          Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                          Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                          Fr Seraphis
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                          @Freya said

                          "That's very interesting, I would like to find out more about it... any books you can reccommend, please?
                          What attributions do you think are best for Malkuth?"

                          Here is the picture:
                          herbalwitchcraft.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/klippot-tree.gif

                          More on the subject in a very interesting book:
                          www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0972182063

                          More info at:
                          www.dragonrouge.ne

                          Hope that helps.
                          😄

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                          • F Freya

                            I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                            http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                            Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                            Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                            Jim Eshelman
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                            The names are in 777 and 776 1/2.

                            There is a slightly obscure Golden Dawn paper from the Second Order called "The Unclean Spirits." It's probably the most relevantly detailed discussion of characteristics, but it takes some work. If sufficiently interested, you ought to be able to find a copy. (Going from memory, I think one of Zalewski's books reproduced it.)

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                            • F Freya

                              I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                              http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                              Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                              Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                              Freya
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                              Thank you Jim, I am very interested to know more from reliable sources. Where can I find Zalewski's books?

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                              • F Freya

                                I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                                http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                                Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                                Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                                Jim Eshelman
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                                @Freya said

                                "Thank you Jim, I am very interested to know more from reliable sources. Where can I find Zalewski's books?"

                                www.amazon.com/Kabbalah-Golden-Dawn-Pat-Zalewski/dp/0785811966/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1404942612&sr=1-5&keywords=pat+zalewski

                                I think it's in this one. Can't promise without looking.

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                                • F Freya

                                  I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                                  http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                                  Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                                  Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                                  Freya
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                                  It contains the Qlipoth lessons by Mathers, so it looks like it can very well be the one. Thank you so much Jim. I have liber 777 but I find it hard to navigate on my own.

                                  Returning to Malkuth the bride vs Lilith the whore, isn't Lilith more an "anti mother"? Maybe this applies more to the reverse of Malkuth?

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                                  • F Freya

                                    I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                                    http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                                    Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                                    Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                                    David
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                                    What's so bad about Litigators? 😡

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                                    • F Freya

                                      I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                                      http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                                      Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                                      Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                                      Jim Eshelman
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                                      Lol, it has something to do with the mental processes? 😄

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                                      • F Freya

                                        I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                                        http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                                        Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                                        Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                                        David
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                                        Well, you could argue that both ways.

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                                        • F Freya

                                          I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                                          http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                                          Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                                          Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                                          Jim Eshelman
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                                          @David S said

                                          "Well, you could argue that both ways."

                                          ROFLMAO

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