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  • F Freya

    I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

    http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

    Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

    Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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    Fr Seraphis
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    @Freya said

    "That's very interesting, I would like to find out more about it... any books you can reccommend, please?
    What attributions do you think are best for Malkuth?"

    Here is the picture:
    herbalwitchcraft.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/klippot-tree.gif

    More on the subject in a very interesting book:
    www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0972182063

    More info at:
    www.dragonrouge.ne

    Hope that helps.
    😄

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    • F Freya

      I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

      http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

      Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

      Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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      Jim Eshelman
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      The names are in 777 and 776 1/2.

      There is a slightly obscure Golden Dawn paper from the Second Order called "The Unclean Spirits." It's probably the most relevantly detailed discussion of characteristics, but it takes some work. If sufficiently interested, you ought to be able to find a copy. (Going from memory, I think one of Zalewski's books reproduced it.)

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      • F Freya

        I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

        http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

        Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

        Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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        Freya
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        Thank you Jim, I am very interested to know more from reliable sources. Where can I find Zalewski's books?

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        • F Freya

          I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

          http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

          Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

          Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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          Jim Eshelman
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          @Freya said

          "Thank you Jim, I am very interested to know more from reliable sources. Where can I find Zalewski's books?"

          www.amazon.com/Kabbalah-Golden-Dawn-Pat-Zalewski/dp/0785811966/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1404942612&sr=1-5&keywords=pat+zalewski

          I think it's in this one. Can't promise without looking.

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          • F Freya

            I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

            http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

            Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

            Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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            Freya
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            It contains the Qlipoth lessons by Mathers, so it looks like it can very well be the one. Thank you so much Jim. I have liber 777 but I find it hard to navigate on my own.

            Returning to Malkuth the bride vs Lilith the whore, isn't Lilith more an "anti mother"? Maybe this applies more to the reverse of Malkuth?

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            • F Freya

              I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

              http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

              Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

              Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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              David
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              What's so bad about Litigators? 😡

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              • F Freya

                I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                Jim Eshelman
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                Lol, it has something to do with the mental processes? 😄

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                • F Freya

                  I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                  http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                  Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                  Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                  David
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                  Well, you could argue that both ways.

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                  • F Freya

                    I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                    http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                    Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                    Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                    Jim Eshelman
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                    @David S said

                    "Well, you could argue that both ways."

                    ROFLMAO

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                    • F Freya

                      I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                      http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                      Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                      Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                      Jim Eshelman
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                      The word most often translated "litigators" is probably more literally "hagglers." I tend to think that, as Q'lippoth of Tifereth, they represent lack of equilibrium and (ahem) just proportion.

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                      • F Freya

                        I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                        http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                        Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                        Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                        David
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                        #29

                        The Golden Meanies

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                        • F Freya

                          I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                          http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                          Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                          Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                          Hermitas
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                          "...argue that both ways." Lol. Nice.

                          [lightning bolt]"hagglers"[/lightning bolt]

                          Litigating "deals." Oh my damn... So much sense. For me, anyway.

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                          • F Freya

                            I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                            http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                            Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                            Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                            Freya
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                            Why is the Tree of the Qlipoth called the Tree of Knowledge? I have seen elsewhere that it's called the Tree of Evil. Do any of you know?

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                            • F Freya

                              I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                              http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                              Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                              Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                              Jim Eshelman
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                              @Freya said

                              "Why is the Tree of the Qlipoth called the Tree of Knowledge? I have seen elsewhere that it's called the Tree of Evil. Do any of you know?"

                              It isn't called the Tree of Knowledge AFAIK. There are passages (e.g. in one of the GD rituals) that give that impression if read a certain way but, in fact, are referring to Malkuth as the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil (e.g., can branch either way).

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                              • F Freya

                                I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                                http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                                Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                                Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                                Freya
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                                ok thank you 😀 (i saw it written on the picture kindly posted by frater INRI). Has the Qlipoth tree a specific name?

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                                • F Freya

                                  I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                                  http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                                  Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                                  Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                                  Fr Seraphis
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                                  @Freya said

                                  "ok thank you 😀 (i saw it written on the picture kindly posted by frater INRI). Has the Qlipoth tree a specific name?"

                                  Yeah, they (Order on the link above) have somewhat different system of thought from ours. They seem to call it 'the tree of knowledge'. Its all in the book on the link provided.

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                                  • F Freya

                                    I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                                    http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                                    Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                                    Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                                    Freya
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                                    They claim to follow the left hand path if I have read correctly. Not a system I want to follow.... 😱

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                                    • F Freya

                                      I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                                      http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                                      Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                                      Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                                      Freya
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                                      Does Thelema follow the left-hand path?

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                                      • F Freya

                                        I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                                        http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                                        Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                                        Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                                        Jim Eshelman
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                                        @Freya said

                                        "Does Thelema follow the left-hand path?"

                                        Thelema tends to move avoid sharp either-or dichotomies.

                                        If the question might be expressed as, "Is there anything called Left Hand Path in the curriculum of A.'.A.'., or in anything Crowley ever endorsed?" then the answer is No.

                                        If you ask, instead, whether the Thelemic philosophy per se is aligned with or avoiding of LHP, then the answer is that the Thelemic philosophy is averse to a priori polarities,

                                        The matter is complicated further because the modern LHP-identified community uses the term in ways that don't necessarily have anything to do with how the term has been used in the history of the world (including the way Crowley used it).

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                                        • F Freya

                                          I found this picture in a book by Gareth Knight.... is it an accurate representation of the Qliphoth tree?

                                          http://i57.tinypic.com/wqpies.png

                                          Where do the veils of Tohu (desoltion), Bohu (emptiness) and Chasek (darkness) be found in this representation? And the waters of chaos?

                                          Any imput would be very much appreciated 😄

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                                          Freya
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                                          Thank you Jim for clarifying that. Yes, it's confusing and there is a lot of misinformation on the web, so thank you for the explanation 😄

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