College of Thelema: Thelemic Education

@kasper81 said

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Did these practices change you in anyway?"

I'm not sure what "change you" means. Some would argue that you can never "change you," you can only change the outward appearance of you. Behaviorists would argue that once a personality is formed, it is unchanging, or that at the very least the "core belief structure" of the personality does not change "without a traumatic cause."

What the practices of Liber III (and other practices) do is teach. They may teach you something about your nature, human nature, abilities, and your belief structure regarding the world you live in.

As Jim loves to say, your mileage may vary.

Thanks. This has been my conclusion so far, especially as pushing pranayama to high levels produced phenomena similar to what's listed in SSS. My thought was "As long as I'm sitting in thunderbolt trying to engage sweat and kundalini phenomena, it seems like adding pranayama would make this a whole lot easier." But wanted to check that.

Gauging success in Liber III.

What constitutes "Complete Success" in Liber III (as in "He shall attain complete success in Liber III, Cap. I")—for each of the stages of Cap. I? Are there specific periods of time in which the practitioner achieves no slips (for each stage of Cap. I) to be successful?

About automatic rigidity.
I have achieved it twice in corpse - I'm learning Dragon at the moment since I figured it was more 'portable'.
Now the difference seems to be , when in corpse the shaking and muscular spasms seem to be balanced against the floor in some way. The only 'movement' is a nice stretching of the spine vertically with relaxing neck pops, turning in and out of pain until all pain is gone and ridgidty paradoxically became utter relaxation while still remaining rigid.

In Dragon, within five minutes the legs are alternately utterly relaxed AND twitching to such a degree they actually launch me into the air to a point where the feet themselves are almost leaving the floor. Last night I spent 3 minutes twitching up and down about twice a second. Like sitting on a jackhammer!
The more I practice, the sooner the jerking begins.
Wonder if that was part of the 'jumping around like a frog' early symptoms.*

*edit , after 2 days more practice , no it's not, it's just simply the thighs trying to relax through years of tenseness IMO.

Thanks 😀

Yeah, considered going the knife kit route. Seems like the easiest. However, would like to do it "Liber A style" if possible. Considering just buying a piece of steel and trying to grind it down by hand, rather than, you know, screwing around with a belt sander, forge, etc. I understand this can be very time consuming.

Fark. The Pantacle was so much easier... and that was hard! 😀

Yes, I do think PFC thought of his Rosicrucianism is basically Christian - though his relationship to Christianity had relatively little to do with its modern popular forms. It was (I would say) more Gnostic-quintessentialist. That is, his strongest focus was on the archetypal Christos.

"I really liked how he broke down his self into 16 different aspects that worked as a whole. How thought that a very good exercise."

Which book was that in?

@Cygnus said

"Is there, to your knowledge, a precise guide to what exactly they were getting at in the RC manifestoes anywhere?"

Yes, we have that information, but it's obligated. (It's also mostly not relevant except to people following specific paths to which the obligations apply.) I've given all the principles above, though (or, at least, I hope it was complete), in a way that might be generalizable to a broader context.

"The process that you're talking about (the passage through Egypt, Damcar, etc... Case's work is frustratingly obfuscated even with a dense background in Western twilight language and a knowledge of Eastern methods of working with "kundalini.")"

That was partly intentional. That information has been pretty guarded for at least 400 years. (My information is that it's more like 600 years.) Members of Temple of Thelema's Second Order do have access to it.

Ah, thank you. That actually makes it considerably easier.

Excellent, thank you. So, at which point, would you say this qualifies for fulfilling the Liber E requirements in 2=9? 😄

Well that just simplifies everything, doesn't it? 😀 Thank you!

Thanks Jim, that's very well-considered advice. 😄

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Thank you 😄

Excellent. Thank you, Jim!

Keep in mind when looking at Golden Dawn material or Liber Chanokh that what they present isn't just "Enochian." The Golden Dawn's Concourse of the Forces syncs up all (and I mean ALL) of the magic that comprises the Golden Dawn system. A lot of people criticize it for not being "true Enochian" without realizing the key fact that it really isn't just Enochian.
For a good study of actual ENochian magic, I enjoyed Geoffrey James' book The Enochian Magick of Dr. John Dee.

If you want to go with the more sycretized version, Liber Chanokh is fine.