College of Thelema: Thelemic Education

@wanderer-exile said

"Would this book aid me in interpreting my Sidereal Birth Chart?

Thank you in advance."

It's educative on the general principles of Sidereal astrology, but the book per se deals with astrology of the collective, not the individual, person-related Natal astrology.

For inquiries into your natal chart, I suggest making an account at www.solunars.com/index.php and posting your data; there's a community of astrologers there who can provide interpretation pointers and help you navigate the website, for resources to study further.

Thanks, Jim.

An interesting subject, indeed.

Hail Eris!
All Hail Discordia!!

Just watched it 😄 Thanks

@Jim Eshelman said

"Bryce told me he has a couple of my other NYC talks nearing completion, so we'll have more material in the near future, hopefully. Many public thanks to him for all of this work (it's no small job)."

Great ! Looking forward... 🆒

Generally, I don't use "God," but not because I have a bias against it or for it. I just enjoy clarity in conversation and will try to speak in terms that people widely accept - it's just more efficient. It is mostly because most people have a certain idea of what "God" means in my culture, and that usually means something close to the Judeo-Christian Father-god archetype. I would say, 9 times out of 10 (not a scientific poll), most people would assume that...

I'm not out to rewrite common working definitions for things. I don't correct people if they say "Kleenex" instead of "facial tissue." Regional vernacular is just that and I don't fancy myself a vocab crusader or a spiritual pundit.

That being said, I agree in a certain way that "God" could be considered a nice term for convenience that tries (in vain) to encapsulate the Absolute, albeit misleading for most people for the reasons mentioned above.

So, to answer the question, what do* I* mean by "God," I have to go with this - it is another perspective, which we create, that has meaning for us. The famous(?) Blind Webster poem is how I tend to look at what GOD TRULY IS - we make God by worship and by our creation, which is action:

It is not necessary to understand; it is enough to adore.
The god may be of clay: adore him; he becomes GOD.
We ignore what created us; we adore what we create. Let us create nothing but GOD!
That which causes us to create is our true father and mother; we create in our own image, which is theirs.
Let us create therefore without fear; for we can create nothing that is not GOD.

At the end of the day, probably just easier to try to explain in detail what we mean, in the best way that we can.

"[Font:Sarcasm] Obviously this is one of those areas where Crowley got it wrong. [/font]"

Luckily this thread isn't about whether Crowley was wrong....it is about showing that it is wrong to state that Crowley was a hard faced materialist who never believed in spiritual experience. Anyone who thinks that is wrong!

MWT is my favorite book of Crowley's (non class A), I view it as a chat between two people without barriers and bullshit.

"Lol... How long you been sittin' on those quotes, Mark?"

A while, it just takes me a long time to remember where I read things!

The bit of a mire the forum has been in over the last year has taken its toll.
Though I do not see it as the fault of the "instigators" - as much responsibility is on the shoulders of those who bit.
I also do not believe anyone has been disingenuous.
Regardless - lets get this new era rolling ! 😀

Happy Saturnalia!

What a blessing to be able to see such beauty!
Thank you for sharing.
👼

5+5 (fingers and thumbs) +wand =11

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@Selene said

"What would be your sources? I mean, where can we read about this?
Who has documented the cases?"

You can't, mostly.

One does get to a place where one can perceive these things directly. What I wrote here is primarily direct knowledge, rounded out by numerous conversations over the years with Soror Meral (partly in the sense of two travelers comparing notes on places they've visited, and partly a junior traveler listening to a more experienced traveler). The information isn't all that rare among people who have spent decades exploring it.

Though I haven't read the books myself, many people have told me that the Seth books are the closest match to what I've said over the years. If you want a second opinion that you can find in a book, you might explore those.

PS - I just realized I was answering on the wrong thread. I thought this was the other reincarnation thread from this week, so much of what I wrote in this answer (including the reference to the Seth literature) probably doesn't apply. - For separate corroboration of the time frame (stuff you can find in books), there are all sorts of things to check... the Cayce readings for one, plus a lot of books from the late '60s and much of the '70s documenting past life records and some physical world corroborations.

PPS - I'm not sure what happened to the original post on this thread. Perhaps Draco deleted it?

With respect to what they DO accomplish, they don't come close to the BOTA courses. (They couldn't. You can't slow-ripen someone 5 years worth in 12 months.)

They serve one purpose: They ensure that one has the right preliminaries to effectively take initiation in F.L.O. (all other things being right, of course).

@danica said

"Jim, I see something new on the forum: a section named A.'. A.'. , it's a tab on the bottom, after the Public Discussion section, but I don't see any contents. "

Incomplete and to be kept private when complete. Glad to know it's appearing just exactly as intended 😉

😀

Here I agree (but I do not know the content), deeming a thing "off topic" is not very open.

When I was in seminary, which was a "moderate" Baptist seminary, we were focused on the influence of postmodern, post-foundationalist thought. There was much discussion of the "new Evangelicals" and "post-Liberals."

But that aside, I was raised a very conservative Baptist, yet I remember from childhood people talking about losing the ability/necessity to pray using words when continuing in prayer over time. My own experience as I grew older reflected the same, and that ended up being a foundational experience in my leaving the ministry to pursue the ancient wisdom. Words grew less important than symbols in understanding and relating to "God" inwardly, especially after seminary revealed the relativity of theology as it evolved through time.

I'll leave the question of the "reality" of mystical experiences to your own musings.

The superior I once had used to speak of this a lot. He always mentioned the importance of the word "Ichthus"
and the fish. He would expound upon it very specifically to me, but I still had trouble understanding because I was very young.
It's imprinted in my memory as being important, along with the idea that nothing, is no-thing and not nothing.
He did mention the relevance of the Path of Nun as related to the fish. But through my experience the most revealing visions
were of the scorpion, snake, and the eagle (all within 24 hours). I know the fish is attributed to Nun because of the watery nature of the path.
But I still feel there is more to this than meets the eye. I personally feel it's more about the Aeon of Horus as opposed to the Aeon of Osiris.
The fish representing Jesus Christ, a water symbol. Horus as a fire symbol and a hawk. I think that was very clever figuring out those numbers btw.
13 is the death card after all. Coincidence or not? That's profound revelation, the more I read through through it (Enochian Magick Duquette/Crowley)
and dissect it the more interesting parallels I find between the words and gematria.

Very fine way of putting it 😄

A nice reminder, too.

@Thelemic oz said

"All i go by is the greek spoken in my home and in the greek orthodox church... (By the way greek is my first language)"

I know. But modern Greek is significantly different in pronunciation from ancient Greek, and it is the ancient Greek that is intended for these rituals.

"I do think at least Thelema and agape should be pronounced correctly"

I agree. But they should not be pronounced as in modern Greek but, rather, as in ancient Greek. (Agape, in particular, is routinely mispronounced because people treat the accent on the second syllable as accents are treated in English. As you may know, ancient Greek accents were not a matter of stress but, rather, of tonality, calling for an increase in pitch. The closer equivalent to the English accented syllable is in the long vowels which, anciently, were pronounced exactly as the short vowels except twice as long. Accordingly, late BCE Greek phonics books said that sheep go βή and dogs go βαύ.

"i doubt Aiwass pronounced the greek of the words Thelema and Agape wrong?"

I imagine they sounded exactly as Crowley would have expected them from his grammar school training. In those days (really, anytime before the late 1960s) it was wrongly held that Greek long vowels were pronounced like English long vowels (a convention more than a conviction). Crowley (wrongly) pronounced it the-LEE-ma.

@milkBoxx said

"This seems to remind me of the Path of the magus and the Path of the fool (Breath). I always felt that both paths become a choice and that is why Aleph has been disputed as being attributed to 0 or 1, while Bet is generally 1. Just an instinct, am I off here?"

Well, of course, any Path is optional except to the extent that momentum carries one onward. But both of these are part of the process of ceasing to be a Magus. The Path of Gimel, in theory, is the rightful entry, but it only goes so far.

"Or are you implying one transcends Kether to proceed to the negative veils? (Which I honestly have no knowledge of)"

That, too - if one chooses. And yes, it's really hard to even wrap your mind around thinking about these since most people can't begin to actually think about Kether.

Great! I will post my findings after my 3rd meditation on each card.