Ahh... I just found the mini-tapers ("spell candles") on the internet. That's makes WAY more sense. lol

@Luce said

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Are you saying Takamba helped you see the planet? Because the vast majority of people can see the planet. People who hate everyone can see the planet.** Serial killers could see the planet**. It's a wholly physical process.

You're saying by trusting Takamba, you were able to see the magic eye?

Well, I don't trust him and I can still see the magic eye 😜

But, still not sure about what my eyes should be doing while scrying... If anyone has an answer, I'd love to hear it. Should my eyes be crossed? Should I be seeing "double" when I'm staring into a black mirror?"

the vast majority of people who look at that picture do not take the time to look deeper. If you think serial killers do not have Love in their hearts, then you do not know me very well. its the willingness to push past those limits and be open to something new, and that openness comes from feeling safe and loved.

I am saying that when I trust that there is more to see then what is staring me in my face, Ill see it.

@FiatYod said

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Oh, I didn't know it was Crowley's comment, thank you for the correction! 😄
I'm not sure I got your point: do you mean that the words "spirit" and "intelligence" are to be taken as their "mundane" meanings?"

What we call them is nowhere near as important as what they can do. 😉 Solvitur ambulando.

I replied there as well my friend. Thank you!

@Hermitas said

" For another, truly damning someone else really does seem to cut both ways and seems to make me literally go insane while it seemingly has no effect on others. "

I never cursed or damned anyone yet even the feeling of hatred, not like I hate this man/woman but as in I want to rip his eyeballs and play ping pong with them, damages the person deeply. When I feel angry, my heartrate increases, I can't sleep or think or rest. However, the subject of that hatred doesn't give two damn about anything. Forgiving or forgetting doesn't suit me well but I remember Levi wrote something like

" Thus, the Great Master revealed a mystery of positive magical science when He said: “Forgive your enemies, do good to those that hate you; so, shall ye heap coals of fire upon their heads.” Perhaps this kind of pardon may seem hypocrisy and bear a strong likeness to refined vengeance. But we must remember that the Magus is sovereign, and a sovereign never avenges, because he has the right to punish; in the exercise of this right he performs his duty and is implacable as justice. "

Though honestly, I don't know how can I punish since I’m not a magus yet and thus not a sovereign. It would be lovely I guess 😀 😀

93,

Thank you for your reply. I believe that makes sense and is similar to my own thoughts on the matter, I just wanted to make sure I was on the right track. I believe the LBRP has more of an equilibrating effect, it is more about balance and harmony than banishing negativity and invoking positivity- as some people like to put it.

I have always thought there is more of an invoking aspect to the ritual than a banishing one, comparing the LBRP with the Star Ruby further makes me feel this way. The ritual can be used to banish, but in daily practice, it feels more like setting aside space for the work rather than banishing all energies in the space, whatever is in the space is then consecrated to the work at hand, which in daily practice would be to carry out my Will.

If I was invoking Venus, I would naturally put away items consecrated to Mercury etc. It was more of an issue for daily work. As long as everything is consecrated in a manner which conforms to my Will all should be fine I suppose. I just wanted to make sure that all the previous work I had done was not a waste of time!

93, 93/93.

Are you the second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ??

If you are, someone told me there are important celebrities trying to get your message out!!

(Just kidding. But thought I would lighten up whatever happened here.)

🏓 🏓 🏓 🏓 🏓

Check the ego first. Any magick that doesn't serve your Will will end in any number of those types of calamities you describe (and then instead, those calamities arrive to serve your Will when your magick couldn't).

Look up in the sky! It's a bird, it's a plane? NO! It's superconsciousness!

Over and out.

Here is a beautiful rendition of the chant, sung by two young men from Brazil:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9jcXn5hb4k

🦋

93

Fuckin oi. Pick a few and conjure them, then you'll know the difference

Whether tedious or no, I for one am very much appreciating the discussion.

I've always found tension in working with the color scales, particularly the Prince and Princess colors, because the historical record shows them to have been originally codified via the astral visions of one person: Soror V.N.R. While it is entirely possible that she gathered these colors correctly from the greater empyrean, it's equally possible that she was deceived and they were, in actuality, gathered from her personal inlet with all of its personal psychological shadings. The counter-argument could then be made that, in the intervening century, her colors have been confirmed by countless astral travelers but, as seems to be the central thrust of this thread, how do we know that all of them weren't just seeing what their subconscious had been led to expect to see? If we are meant to learn the color scale first before journeying out into the Astral, we have necessarily tainted the experiment. How does one set up a control in this situation?

All of these are obviously questions of the rational, conscious, ego mind... but nevertheless, aren't they valid? Have a century of Western Magicians all been programming their minds to align with the subconscious patterns of Moina Mathers?

"Quote: Any other tips regarding this matter would be appreciated - such as links for online stores that offer Enochian implements with beautiful craftsmanship..."

Anael, I have used this shop recently with good results but not for anything Enochian.www.goldendawnshop.com This site looks like what you are asking for but I have had never dealt with them enochian.org I can say this though, it has been around for quite a few years.

Consider that as Love is mighty to bring forth all Ecstasy, so absence of Love is the greatest craving. Whoso is balked in Love suffereth indeed, but he that hath not actively that passion in his heart towards some object is weary with the ache of craving. And this state is called mystically “Dryness.” For this there is, as I believe, no cure but patient persistence in a Rule of Life.
But this Dryness hath its virtue, in that thereby the Soul is purged of those things that impeach the Will: for when the drouth is altogether perfect, then is it certain that by no means can the Soul be satisfied, save by the Accomplishment of the Great Work. And this is in strong souls a stimulus to the Will. It is the Furnace of Thirst that burneth up all dross within us.
But to each act of Will is a particular Dryness corresponding: and as Love increaseth within you, so doth the torment of His absence. Be this also unto you for a consolation in the ordeal! Moreover, the more fierce the plague of impotence, the more swiftly and suddenly is it wont to abate.”

Aleister Crowley, Liber CL נעל A Sandal De Lege Libellum L— L— L— L— L

lib.oto-usa.org/libri/liber0150.html

I see, thanks.

Who have you evoked and why and what results did you get?

Thank you! But how about the spirit pentagrams? Black on white for active one and white on black for passive one? Or how? Do you imagine the spirit wheel in its center?

I agree with you, and thank you for commenting.

Ateh is great. I'm wondering whether this is a happy accident, or a deliberate choice for reasons I don't understand, or what.

About Ov, it is mentioned here:
www.mesora.org/OvYidoniChinuch.html
as this:

"The ov, according to many, involved a person claiming communication with the dead, but channeling the voice of the dead through his armpit."

Yes, the page in Thelemapedia in which Levi's operation is mentioned is this:
www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Necromancy