College of Thelema: Thelemic Education

I had a feeling I wasn't wording that correctly, Danica had it right.
Thank you both for the quick response.

@The Editor said

"bump goodbye"

You keep saying or hinting at this. Does it interfere with your magick that it isn't always "I say it is so, so it must be so?"

Goodbye (I hope)

@Takamba said

"I have considered it such, but don't find doing so online as meaningful as reigning changes in one's ego/self-image via real world exercises of personality switching. 😄"

Indeed indeed. Not the same. Still fun! 😆

Your health, sláinte mhaith 🍸

@Pattana Gita said

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@astralis accipiter said
"No, I wasn't. But that is an interesting line of investigation. The four zodiac signs form a cross with the lion plus human (Leo plus Aquarius) adding to 99 and the bull plus eagle (Taurus plus Scorpio) adding to 56."

Aquarius is Heh, 5. Leo + Heh = 14, Scorpio + Taurus = 56. Altogether, 70 (which, of course, is the secret!)."

Would the ancient Israelites have done that with the Mazzaroth?"

Probably not. Although that might depend on how far back one goes. There is evidence in the Zohar that an older tradition knew the correct attribution and masked it. (The story of the origin of the alphabet sequence quite explicitly says that Tzaddi has a deeper mystery that has to be kept secret. The letter Tzaddi on petitioning for First Letter status is basically told, "Shut up, kid, you're gonna spoil the surprise. Next...!")

Not sure it's important, though, what the ancients would have done if the question is one of what secret Crowley might (or might not) have been keeping.

@kasper81 said

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@kasper81 said
"Any probationer or neophyte is notb going to be a fully, mature adult emotionally or spiritually"

What have you got against Probationers and Neophytes all of a sudden? I detect a note of condescension...."

I don't know what have I , in your self-created phantasm, got against them?"

I don't know, which is why I asked. I just noticed that you have mentioned the subject a number of times recently and usually in terms that are not particularly flattering. Still, no need to get defensive 😉

@Iamus said

"I, personally, wouldn't expect much from graphology. Crowley's hand was not possessed. Yes, he does seem to have been in a trance at times, but he was largely just recording audible dictation--and clearly writing very quickly.

I know a few people who, as an experiment, had someone read the first chapter of Liber AL aloud at the right pace to take an hour while the rest copied down the dicatation. All found it quite difficult to write as quickly as the time limit demanded for a solid, uninterrupted hour. So I assume that speed and stress would be the primary results of handwriting analysis."

I guess I forgot that Crowley was quite clear on it being dictated(it's easy to just belittle it as a tranced-out aspect of his unconscious excited to speech), and it's a point well taken; that experiment is an interesting one, seems an obvious thing try now that I read it.
Thank you both for your input.

@Jim Eshelman said

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A.'.A.'. (in the Probationer grade) doesn't provide that. It's basic formula is exactly the opposite. (Temple of Thelema provides it quite specifically. And A.'.A.'. gets not so much "regimen-providing" as "task-directed" to some extent in 1=10 and, especially, from 2=9 on.)

Having said that... Your task here is still one of self-discovery and, by trial and error, putting it into play. There is no reason at all that you can't do this by undertaking the particular things you have learned and isolated over the last two years (as long as you become familiar, in pratice, with everything - sufficiently that you can serve as a practical resource for any Probationers you receive in the future.

But YOU deciding to follow a particular regimen (in this large open space of your free-ranging options called Probation) is really different from a Neophyte imposing one on you, or requiring you to follow one. His or her job is to get out of the way and leave you the {****} alone unless you have specific questions.

Sorry. The grade has two Zeros in its enumeration for a reason. You are entering a vacuum. You can explore that vaccum by diving right into what you've figured out over the last two years - it surely wouldn't be the first time that a Probationer was sure he had it all figured out already <vbg>, and you just might have it all figured out! Still, the word Probation means "trial, testing, proving" - don't miss the chance to make the most out of this. (At least, that's my opinion and advice: Offered because you specifically asked for my opinion and advice.)"

Yes, "task-directed" is certainly what I'm looking for, but I won't waste my Probation. I very much intend to learn what is needed to be of use to Probationers as a Neophyte later on, and the "vacuum" will allow me to throw what I've learned so far into the crucible to see what survives.

@Jim Eshelman said

"Here is a regimen already specified in the basic Probationer definition. (This isn't me providing it, it's the system.) - Study ALL Class B documents. Practice what you will (with an eye to having experience with everything). Keep a record. Assess the record to draw conclusions on what works and what doesn't. Memorize a chapter of Liber LXV.

See 👿 A regimen. "

Ha! Got it 😄

Thank you for the stern advice.
I believe I have a much more balanced approach to this lineage--this whole deal--having received it.

And so Moses parts the RED SEA

@Diluvium said

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I can't know, and that's the thing. It's being okay with that. I'm finally learning the difference between experience gleaned from books, and experience. I'm in the stage between student and Probationer, I sign the Oath soon, so I've spent the past year or so in study, building knowledge. Before fully committing to Thelema, I had to be sure it was where I needed to be, having read about so many other systems. So, in this year, I ruthlessly went through paradigm to paradigm, acting as if true, and seeing what I got. This looseness served to erase any conditioning I had before the process, which as of this morning seemed destructive to me, but as the day went on, I realized that this has left me with a blank canvas that I can now, finally, learn to paint."

I see.
Thanks for sharing.

You will be just fine, I am sure.

@Dar es Allrah said

"Maybe's it's akin to painters... we can all chuck the paint around when we feel like it, but unless there's a method to the madness then all you end up with are large dirty looking splodges instead of Jackson Pollock?"

Brilliant analogy, and a lesson hard learned.

"39. A feast for Tahuti and the child of the Prophet — secret, O Prophet!"

@Dar es Alrah said

" find the most fascinating adept in ancient Egyptian history to be Imhotep. He was an architect, high priest, the true 'father of medicine', and the only man to be made a God in their history. If you're working the astral he's also a really nice fella/God to know too. 😄"

Indeed! I am admittedly very behind on my Egyptology; a simple reading of the first paragraph of his Wikipedia page demonstrated to me why this must be remedied.
He basically sounds like the first Jesus, only one vastly more productive, and intriguing.

I am just resonating so heavily with this culture right now, there's obviously something there my Angel is urging me to uncover.

@danica said

"Frater Duo Columpnas, when I saw the name of the thread it automatically aroused this association - I have no clue how or if at all it may be of some use to you in this regard, but it doesn't hurt to share:
Gemini mysticism = the Path of Zain (also called "The Children of the Voice; the Oracles of the Mighty Gods")"

Thank you for sharing that! 🍸

Oh, it's not too bad. They're not so different, Life and Death.
It's their kid that's the interesting one. Or is he two?
Three. That's it.
I think you and Three should sit down and have a talk.
'cause you're right, in the face of Death, ALL is meaningless, but NAUGHT begins to look like a whole lot of fun.
In there, the meaning is what we Will it to be.
Like writing a book, only with your intention.
Try it. It's fun, I swear.

I've since obtained a sidereal chart... And the paradigm crash that ensues.

Sun - Gemini
Moon - Cancer
Rising - Aries
Mercury - Gemini
Venus - Leo
Mars - Taurus
Jupiter - Libra
Saturn - Aquarius
Uranus - Sagittarius
Neptune - Sagittarius
Pluto - Scorpio

And I was looking at the Tarot as the representation of the Universal Process. Destruction of the "House of God" and the release of the fragmented but singular "Spirit of God", unihindered by 3rd dimensional space, able to roam uphill a bit.

Oh now, if you are not going to be specific about what he is full of crap about, well I cant reply. I certainly am not about to champion for the chap, but I have done a lot of looking into him, and his sources.
Gregg Braden, Bruce Lipton, and Johnathan Goldman, also must fall into that popular new age clap trap, even though they have helped lift mankind into some very interesting areas.
I did say I had issues, with him.

. The geometric information that he presents is accurate, and while many others have also presented this information ( including Leonardo DaVinci ) DM
Said it and showed it for the masses.

considering that that mer ka bah is based on the idea of anima animus, male and female polarities, and that the six pointed star is it's symbol, I would have thought that more ceremonial magicians would be utilizing it. I know that Christopher Pnexack does, but again he is mainstream......

@OneOneEleven said

"Is there any advice or insight any of you can give me before I commit to anything?"

Make sure you have both a Phillips- and a flathead-screwdriver. 😀

Also, Maat still represents Truth, right? My Egyptian has fallen behind my Greek. I just don't naturally believe in these things being actual Gods, but Pure Ideas, and that spirituality is just a means of understanding these large concepts before they can be objectively proven by science.