College of Thelema: Thelemic Education

Found it. I'm not sure where I originally ran across it but, if you can PM me a link to a Dropbox or other cloud storage folder, I can upload it to you. The complete set is about 125MB.

Nothing is absolute
Not even vodka

Is the point to control less or more? My sense my own will is the less control, more surrender, brings me closer to my true will.

If it bothers you there is some arising and passing sensations you need to work on. This may be common or part of a particular path (sign for more seclusion and meditation). Clean up your internal household!

Mindfulness/A&P research is helpful to understand the impermanence of it all. But meh, I prefer simpler. Over time I personally just have a song get stuck in my head during the day that drowns it out. If I don't I will attempt to start it singing. But I'm sure everybody has their own natural techniques.

Just got Pearls of Wisdom.....so far it has shown to be an excellent overview of the Thelemic ideology...excellent all the way through...

@Barrackubus said

"May the function and experience of one's HGA possibly be the same as the function and experience of a particular historical god?"

Of course. (That's the easy question.) Totally. Routinely.

Isnt the pericieved paradigm of duality also a factor during the crossing of the abyss? For it could it also be stated by some that this may also be one if not the most important lessons of such and the lack thereof is the perception of that previously comfort giving perception of that percieved idea of duality? Also in saying this I must ask if duality is not an actuality then it can be said that the true form of all lies within the workings of Chaos??

Perhaps it is the language barrier, but you appear to be speaking of two different things...

@Joshua said

" But assume for a moment you are dealing with energy and you seek that subtle spot for the 'application' of your Will, and you through your determination and all those things that churn inside us and you determine a specific event to occur, before realizing intent later"

There is this, which seems to deal with intent unrecognized by the conscious mind.
This, I do not see being specific to Thelema.
Many times have I looked back and thought "that is exactly what needed to happen."

@Barrackubus said

"That cue ball event that occurs that you predetermined would occur simply because the math and science determines it will, and that moment does occur...or am i thinking something incorrect?"

To me, this is something different - it is a recognition and realization of the various factors and making a projection.
Here, a grain of salt, some skepticism comes in handy.
Move forward, as if things shall occur this way, but be aware it does not have to -
Allowing you to be more dynamic and able to react if things do not occur as planned.
One of the worst things you can do, in my opinion, is roar about how a "fated occurance has not occurred" -

What is written is the Will of the Lord and has been done, such is the nature of the Holy Testament (the "Magick Journal")

@Joshua said

"The more you try to analyze that I think youll began to see will is dependent more so on psychological contendencies as opposed to logical and assumed truths."

I would take this as an opportunity to further comment on maintaining a level of skepticism.
It is very easy to fall prey to psychological projections when you begin transmuting the past.
Keep to logic and truths, but do not bend them - consider how they should have occurred if the logic/truth was maintained.
Then attempt to derive whether or not there is an error in the system you have been using or a need to tweak for particular circumstances...

A dirty example :
9/10 times you get the basketball in the hoop
One day - you only get 3/10 baskets -
Was there any different factors?
Oh, look... there is an ex-girlfriend.

@Barrackubus said

"I am not so much concerned with the white, black, evil or good perceptions as much as i am the act of magick without ritual or base or just plainly a direct connection to gnosis."

Then, to give a quick answer - that's not a traditional definition of sorcery. Almost the opposite.

"However in accordance to Nick Halls definition and the results after specific moments of gnosis and the application of will this in of itself is sorcery. Isnt it?"

You're stacking the deck. You're asking, "If we use definition ABC *, then this particular thing that fits definition ABC is a fit for the definition, right?"

@Barrackubus said

"If an individual is at the 6=5 grade and during this grade he or she determines that one intent that would bring to fruition the will of the magician. And he or she releases that energy, is this the determination that would bring them to the abyss....in my thinking that act of magick is or maybe synonymous with the experience of the abyss...interesting to me the two maybe linked...and off base or am i perceiving it within workable paradigm...."

It's pretty hard to say that about a particular other person - especially someone that one doesn't actually know.

It seem to me, though, that it would just be a partial fulfillment of the grade of 6=5, and might, at most, bring one closer to the 7=4 grade.

I'm not sure what the thing you described would have to do with the Abyss. As you descrined it, it seems to me to have nothing to do with it.

@Avshalom Binyamin said

"In a similar vein, I've come to a renewed appreciation of the value of writing with a pen vs typing on a computer. "

I both hate love the hand and the pen 😄

@Barrackubus said

"Although i am so far away from any actual practice temple, if i wrote the college will they be able provide me with any assistance i most certainly should do that."

There is a limit to what can be done without in-person contact and in-person conversation. I'm always willing to do what I can to answer private questions, but "what I can do" is usually limited by time constraints = ordinary employment, and looking after the large number of aspirants with whom we do have direct, ongoing, in-person contact. So... it's "best try." And, of course, one purpose of the forum is to answer things that can be addressed in public (understandably limited by your privacy needs and the like; and limited by not knowing you well).

"Would it be appropriate to share, i don't know to take that identification although it is who i am, my relationship with that Angel has been traced through the pages of that book, and even though it gives great glimpses of the journey in part, the value of that knowlethe is priceless."

If you have insights that might help others - even as reflected in a personal journey - I encourage you to share it to the extent of your comfort and willingness. People often learn more from hearing each other's stories than from hearing each other's instructions 😉

@Barrackubus said

"Abremelin said..... In another place Abraham says, that once only in your life you may ask your Guardian Angel for a large sum of money sufficient to represent a fortune; and that he himself had done so and obtained his request.

Has anyone done this? If so how is it accomplished??"

93,

Consider that 'money' or 'wealth' or 'gold' are all symbols of internal or spiritual illumination. Consider your motives for this... Attaining K&C is not about fulfilling your wishes & desires. In fact, attaining one's True Will is exactly NOT that: it is finding the True Motion beyond all your passing whims including material wealth. The best magick for wealth is to clean up, dress up, and find a good job.

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@kasper81 said

"Ok but there must be a big difference between GD 8=3 and A A 8=3? You think GD version is incomplete? If so why?"

Yes, quite a difference. (I discussed this at some length in the opening chapters of Visions & Voices, since it was critical to understanding what Crowley was going through in late 1909.

Bottom line: Nobody ever attained the grade of 8=3 while in the G.D. What it would have been (that is, the grade after the G.D.'s 7=4, and which crosses a substantial threshold of consciousness) is what the A.'.A.'. currently calls 5=6. That is, a G.D. 8=3 would have been one who fully attained to the Knowledge & Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel.

One cannot say the G.D. 8=3 ritual was "incomplete," since there never was one. (Felkin later added an 8=3 grade to the Smaragda Thalassis.

1906 wasn't Crowley's year of crossing the Abyss. It was his year of completing his Abramelin working, sealing it at the end with a reobligation to Adeptus Minor, and everything that flowed from that.

A.'.A.'. and G.D. are scaled differently. For example, all of the 1900-era G.D. work of 5=6 is included in the A.'.A.'. 1=10 work, and the A.'.A.'. 2=9 initiation is based on the G.D. 5=6 initiation.

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

It does a ring a bell, but I can't exactly remember it. I know I read something like that. Pretty sure it's from Liber ABA.

Love is the law, love under will.

I think this quote is extremely relevant to the modern magician and Thelemite; when abrogated to fit the context of the New Aeon.

"Make use with honor of the deceitful world". Magick is concerned with the experiencing of the REAL; and I think Thelema must hold Truth as one of its absolute core values. If the large mass of humanity does not know its own true Will, then they can't possibly help but be "deceitful", first to themselves, and then to others, whether they intend to or not.
I think its somewhat the duty of a Thelemite to hold this particular lack of truth as "abomination", and certainly not "take into account" the opinions of this untruthful world in the sense of allowing it to in any way oppose our own quest for the "perfection of the work".

93!

My best friend was a psych nurse for a long time.
When she told me how many people who need psych help are let loose on city streets.....
Well lets just say that the rumors are true, and that really is an insane person standing in line behind you at the market.

Love is life energy.

Eros is not some little fat cherub, baby of Aphrodite, but an original Titan.
our will to live, to be, all desires, of breath, and warmth, and pleasure are of Eros.

as a living organism, I have needs, and an innate sence that my needs can be met, and should be met. I Desire, which if love is understood to be life energy, I think then that I desire is just simply I am.

Often I see how people manipualte and attempt to control others with that which they think is love, or positive reinforcement: or by using fear, which some would say is a negative reinforcement model.

As a parent, I know I have fallen in the trap of this sort of game, using the fear of the denial of pleasures (no radio for you if you...) or the acceptance of fear ( your backside is gonna hurt if you...), or things like that, and parents try to manipulate, control, and form responses that they believe are correct, and harmonious to the environment.

fear seems to be a conditioned response to what we percieve as a denial of our p,easures, of needs not being met. But there is no need, no desire that cannot be met.

And I dont mean for one instance that if you "desire" a 68 year old asian woman to walk on your nuts with stellitoes, shes out there just waiting for you shining her shoes. That is just an ego thing, maybe this cerebelum flatulence Mr. Eshelman spoke of. What I mean is that the Universe, Nuit, is abundance incomprehensible, and as you reach out with your desire, your love, your Eros, She is reaching towards you as well.

When I was a child, I was filled with fear because I was surrounded by bad, horrible people who were mean and selfish, and hurtful, and I was never afraid that I couldnt take what ever they were gonna dish out. i was afraid that because they were so obviously wicked, that She would never forgive them and love them again. i was convinced that these people were going to Hell in a handbasket, and I was afraid that since they were so weak and sick that they would never be able to handle it, like I knew I could.

When I was shown the depths that Eros contained, I was freed from those fears because I then knew they were completely unfounded.

Molecules have three choices in any situation, they can move towards something....maybe food, they can move away...like a poison, or they can just stay put. Most of the times they do t stay put, they actively move away from things that will harm, and move towardsthi gs that will help. I think that maybe where our concepts of love and fear, pain and p,easure arise. Molecules do not usually ever say, well Ill take a little poison and a little food, and see if that does the trick.

@Barrackubus said

"For some of our orders that require a journal from the person seeking association. Suppose it was me, however I do not keep an active journal. But I do alot of writing and learning on the internet. And spend alot of time learning from others at the same time.
If a person was able to provide proof of such journalistic behaviour. Would this be considered an acceptable.journal and journal activities instead of pen and paper??"

They're unrelated. The type of journal you're keeping has as little similarity to a magical diary, whjich is mostly a precision instrument of exact types of information.

Go to <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.thelema.org/publications">www.thelema.org/publications</a><!-- w --> and get the free digital download of Black Pearl. In issue 4 there is an article titled "Diaries & Dictionaries." Read that.

Brrackabus, perhaps when you truly unite yourself with your true self- then you will know.

93,

Don't fall into the pit of Because; Thou hast NO "right" but to do thy Will.

Do that, and no other shall say nay.

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J