College of Thelema: Thelemic Education

Lol wow. I wonder why I believed this bs for so long seeing nothing but these types of comments. Unbelievable. Sad thing is, you guys can't even see it yourselves. I'm glad I do now.

@Jason R said

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I am starting to ask the question, what is so wrong with imperfection and illusion? Most of what we see, and think is illusion, much of the personality is illusion. Yet, how many have accomplished great things with the most pronounced ego's and self delusions? How many actually find happiness in their lives based completely on a delusional perception not only of themselves, but of the world? Evangelicals, I'm looking at you! "

Nothing - the Magician creates illusion because it's fun. The Fool trips over it because it's fun.

In a sense, the mystic is the bad guy, as he's spoiling God's (The Magician's/Fool's) fun by peeping behind the curtain. The mystic is the spoilsport 😄

Seen rightly, phenomena, or "illusion", if you please, is celebratory, decorative, adventure, etc. "Seen rightly" means: seen from the perspective of being at home in one's skin (i.e.the Universe). While from the point of view of the Higher, the mystic is a spoilsport, from the point of view of the struggling worm, the mystic offers salvation from the illusion of the struggling worm thinking it's just a struggling worm and nothing else (i.e. not secretly also God).

But it's all just a phase we're going through.

sleep:waking::waking:samadhi

childhood:adulthood::adulthood:enlightenment

Something like that, anyway 😄

@Uni_Verse said

"Whew ! Quite a bit to go through here.
Some intriguing patterns, amazing symmetry.
I might agree in saying this indicates an underlying intelligence guiding the hand,
You cross a line at some point when you get around to predictions of your coming.
(Circle & Square & Failure)

The green you chose for that square is a little jarring.
I propose that you select a different color.
Something darker."

Thank you Uni-Verse! Yes, I think you find even more symmetry, and beauty the more you look at it. There really is so much there, and its all right there after simply folding and adding. I even feel, honestly, that the line saying "divide, add, multiply, and understand" has relevence here. "Multiply" here is a neat use of word play, in that we "divide" up the Tarot, we add them, thus we "multiply" these products of their unions into multiple squares.

I'm glad you brought up this elephant in the room, the one about "your coming". First, I am NOT trying to "be" anything, I simply went where I was led. The graph drawn on the actual ms page was a huge clue to me that those "keys" were related to the graph I found. Now, I want to add that I do not think this verse, or solving this secret etc, says one is "chosen" per se, but that it WOULD be. Its a prediction, and the fact it did predict "someone" would solve it, gives credibility to the power of its author - evidence, I feel, it wasn't just AC. Anyway, I think it is simply pointing out, simply predicting someone in the future would "discover" it. Notice it does say "in these are mysteries no beast shall divine".

Either way, no matter what, I don't think simply stating what was found is crossing any "line", no matter how silly it may seem. We simply do not know what is meant. I think though, you mention something that sort of bothers many, keeping them from really saying much - which I totally understand. There is a plethora of egotistical claims etc., and so it provokes a somewhat knee-jerk reaction. All I can say is I assure anyone of my complete and absolute doubt of this type of "coming", and a objective and realistic, and humble position.

Anyway, I appreciate your comments! THANK YOU!!

p.s. I'm not a hundred percent sure what you mean about the color. I think your talking about the Earth quadrant in general being green. You know, your 100% right! I bounced back and forth from green to black, and to green again. I chose green because it seemed to balance out with the scheme of flashing colors more than white on black, which becomes confusing next to a black and white central cross. But, I think it can work. As I said, its still a work in progress really lol.

@Jason R said

"The main interest is however, that our standard idea of TW, etc., doesn't seem as clear cut and precisely explained in Liber L. We can interpret it as such, but its not definitively there, id say."

That's also not a new idea from Liber L. The concept of True Will pre-existed it, in monastic Christianity, for a millennium. Liber L. just brought the point front and center, and created a new context for understanding it.

"We theoretically, after conversing with the HGA, and falling in line with our True Will"

BTW, sometimes it happens that way, and sometimes it happens the other way around.

".. would change us, yet in the Book of the Law, we are told in a few ways not to change, saying "Yea! deem not of change: ye shall be as ye are, & not other."
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Notice, from the syntax, that it doesn't instructed not to change. We are advised not to expect change. (I find this verse most useful in talking about our attitudes toward change in other people; but I'm sure that's not the whole of it.)

Of course there's change - nothing but change! - in surface phenomenon. Circumstances change. Impermanent things move through their life cycles. But what you truly are beneath those shifting condition does not change.

@Jim Eshelman said

"Let me add one point. (There is so much to say. So much that would be easier to say in person. And everyone else was doing great!)

It's this: Be real. No bullshit. Be there. Look it in the face.

For you and for him: really be there."

Jim, thank you. Your 100% right. I been finding that just sitting next to him, being there itself is everything. Its a moment I've always dreaded. He was like a father to me, and for years I was apart. Now its come. I'm taking your advice. Everyone's advice. It truly is important so thank you.

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@Patthana Gati said

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@Patthana Gati said
"It's always a little bit of a surprise when the mudras in my hands (or feet) get activated. When it comes to the hands there is usually a sick person in my vicinity. I have Chiron in a prominent position in my chart. And then I find I've got all this energy and golden heat coursing through me wanting to discharge into the sick person and realign the balance of their DNA. It's very trippy. But it doesn't happen with just any sick person. It just happens at the right time and with people who are ready to get well. So I've never thought to be a healer except when it comes upon me in this unannounced and surprising fashion.

... it's even more interesting if it suddenly happens with a lover. 😉"

93 Dara,

It seems your talking about a chakra, I was talking about a positiin if the hands. Or am I misunderstanding? Interestng tho, thank you.

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There are no chakra's in the hands. But I read 'Mudras' and was thinking of the Marmas in the hands - so my bad! (Unless the activation of the Marmas caused you to adopt a spontaneous Mudra?)"

93 Dara,

I always heard there were chakras not only in the palms, but tge soles of the feet. There's actually many chakras throughout the body besides the main 7 you usually hear about. My moher was heavily into holistic healng, such as acupressure, shiatsu, reiki etc., I read many eastern medicine books and they describe many chakras (sub). Never heard of Marmas tho, ill look it up. Thank you, maybe it explains it idk.

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My actual opinion is quite the opposite. Most people tend to hear the term, "SEXISM" and identify it with the colloquial terminology of one sex being greater than the other in some regard. Then it was used against me in the context of bigotry, then it transformed into the literal translation that "SEXISM" itself is not technically about being lesser or greater, but by differentiation in any context between the sexes. As for my perceptions and any preconceived notions I may have had at the time, frankly, nobody on here knows me. Nobody knows how I view the sexes, but I can't speak of it frankly? How are we to make progress if we can't stop pretending that even history itself has shown evidence that women do in fact have a tendency towards this principle (If it's a taboo to discuss or "Cross the line" doesn't that concern you more than the offense itself?". I could understand if someone were offended by me merely saying something like "That's all they are good for". In my view, you are only set for inititiation if you have the mental and spiritual strength and will to climb high enough for the truth, even if that truth can be sorrow. Whether male or female it can be done. Albeit, no one here really knows the feminine path as well as some because ironically most of the people commenting on my post are men! One point i should make, is that I do believe I may have had an encounter with my HGA (I'm not sure if this was in the astral or not) but it was leading me through alot of traumatizing childhood experiences. The angel had a very petite frame and was beautiful and female, almost enough to drop everything you have an propose right there lol. The funny thing is that at the end of the dream the angel did something odd and amazing it stood in front of me and it's heart turned to a bright golden light and shot out to mine and in a sense connected to mine. It was a sexual union but more pure and loving. I remember waking up almost in tears it was that blissful, I kept it to myself and my wife decides to tell me she had a dream that I was with another woman outside a church and I told her that I had to marry her and she didn't understand. When my wife got mad strangely the Angel got pissed and said she would harm her if she tried to interfere. I didn't say anything, but since this is unique to the individual perhaps a female HGA will communicate more with feminine archetypes, I dunno.

Crowley used to play chess with a new acquaintance to determine what kind of mind they had, etc. He sized up a number of people this way.

@Q789 said

"True the man is scetchy. The atomic city is not though. It has gamma radiation counts.
Here is a compilation of present day NASA releases

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlLN_Jcg1pc

I don't get into this subject very much as i have a uni degree to do. My priorities are past evidence and evidence that they are up there watching."

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Sorry if you took my comments as if implying you were looney or that you thought reptilians were taking over the world lol! Just would like to clarify I think your an intelligent guy and was just saying IM skeptical of fallng into a construct based on "evidence" that is many times unreliable. I mentioned reptilian simply because I've heard it before in terms of conspiracies and Aliens etc.

P.s. thats a great vid! I think Jim said he was actually shown a video dealing with a UFO and NASA. Maybe he would share little more on that.

I'm thinking perhaps a need for another thread! Lol

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@Takamba said

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@Takamba said
"We don't need no stinkin' badgers!

**walks away waiting for an "official" response."

What's that suppose to mean?

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Watch "the Blazing Saddles," a classic film of the American corpus--I find the film somewhat enhanced by prior ingestion of tetrahydrocannibinol. But that's me. 😄

What Takamba so glibly refers to is the concept that one need not be an "official" member of an order (in order) to be a practicing Thelemite. It comes down to personal choice/advantage: for some, the social aspects of Order work are stimulating and appealing. Others are limited by location or occupation, and thus find the necessary outlet through message boards such as this.

Still others are socially inept and cannot help but nourish their starving egotism through anonymous internet outlets in a vague attempt to achieve some degree of recognition. These we can but pity.

Sincerity and perseverance are your greatest allies. "When the student is ready the Master appears."

@Jim Eshelman said

"But, more to the point, I think it WAS used in the original manuscript. I'm pretty sure the cover of the original manuscript says: “Liber L. vel Legis. ...”"

From a copy I see, that appears to be correct. For what it's worth...

A persons body is like a book,
Every line and curve telling another story,
Every motion a whisper in the ear

Though it be foolish to think,
That two people who look the same,
Are the same;

They may share certain characteristics of personality
With a great deal of variation dependent on experiences

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

@Jim Eshelman said

"Huh ❓ 😵 👽"

Seconded and LMAO.

Love is the law, love under will.

93 Frank!

Thank you for your help, great information, I appreciate it!

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Jason

Weightlifting causes because. It's to be.

@Uni_Verse said

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@J L Romer said
"93!

Great poem! How do you usually create these? In meditation or right off the top of your head? 😀 Some good input there, thanks!

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A MAGICIAN NEVER REVEALS HIS SECRETS
So I will take off my cap, stop being that:

They are my meditations upon the topic at hand.
It begins as a line, ties to a melody,
The rest unfolds, ever a mystery,
Until black on white,
It comes to be
A scribbling of symbols you interpret
Pulling pictures from the sea"

Lol I see. Well, I wish I had that talent! Anyway thanks!

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@xenu93 said

"Here is some personal work with English Qabalah and it's relevance to the number 666.

666 and English Qabalah

A proof of the Thelemic nature of English Qabalah can be found in Roman Numerals. The key is a recursive formula analyzing the English Qabalah values of the letters forming a roman numeral.

First turn a number into a roman numeral. Then total the English Qabalah values of the letters forming the roman numeral.

The total is used as the starting number for the second pass thru the formula. Continue the process until a loop is formed by the second number repeating an earlier first number.

Any number you start with will fall into one of three closed loops:

69 = LXIX = 69.
58 = LVIII = 81 = LXXXI = 91 = XCI = 58.
68 = LXVIII = 103 = CIII = 82 = LXXXII = 114 = CXIV = 68.

The sum of the roman numerals forming any of the three closed loops is equal to the total English Qabalah value of the letters forming the loops roman numerals.

LXIX = 69
LVII + LXXXI + XCI = 230
LXVIII + CIII + LXXXII + CXIV = 367

The sum of the eight roman numerals forming the three closed loops is equal to the total value of their letters in English Qabalah.

LXIX + LVIII + LXXXI + XCI + LXVIII + CIII + LXXXII + CXIV = 666

Below you will find the html to produce a file for doing calculations on words and phrases with NAEQ. Just cut and paste the Html part to a new file and name it Calculator.html , it should be of great use validating the word presented as well as allowing you to work with the values easily:

<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE></TITLE>
</HEAD>

<BODY bgcolor="#ffffff" TEXT="#000000" LINK="#FFA07A" VLINK="#800080" ALINK="#FF0000">

<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">

mindx = 0;

counteq = 0;
eq = "alwhsdozkvgrcnyjufqbmxitep";
function compute(f){

for(mindx = 0;mindx &lt; f.expr.value.length;mindx++){ counteq += eq.indexOf(f.expr.value.charAt(mindx).toLowerCase()) + 1;} f.resulteq.value=eval(counteq); counteq = 0;}

</SCRIPT>

<br><br><br>
<FORM>
<table cellspacing=0 cellpadding=3 align="center" border=0>
<tr><td>
<b><FONT FACE="Arial, Helvetica, Sans Serif" SIZE="2">Word or Phrase:</FONT></b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="expr" onChange="compute(this.form)" SIZE=20>
</td></tr>

<tr><td>
<FONT FACE="Arial, Helvetica, Sans Serif" SIZE="2">

<b>English Qabalah Value:</b></font>&nbsp;&nbsp;<INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="resulteq" SIZE=5>
</td></tr>
</table>
</FORM>

</body>
</html>"

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Thanks again, this is interesting. I had realized before that the Roman Numerals added total to 666. Not sure exactly what you mean by loops however.

This Tablet, I feel at least, is stunning in that it generates through the 26 letters of the English and a Tarot order like sequencing method, two of the great Thelemic numbers, not just 666. We also have a "foursquare" 666, by 111x6, and opposite numbers giving us 56! Plus divisions that reflect the Sun, and a cross of 25 totalling 418. Chance? Maybe, but I feel its a strong case for this proposed EQ. These numbers all created by just three repeated numbers 5,14,23. Taken as their respective EQ trumps and related Hebrew and Greek you get 666. If your impressed with roman numerals totalling to 666, why not this with so many more significant numbers? In addition, the verse seems to describe this Tablet perfectly saying "foursquare" etc.

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@Iamus said

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@IAO131 said

" The Barbarous Words are taken from Liber Samekh ('Spirit' section) in order to allow for the Seer to enter a non-rational state of mind, using the words to make the vision more concrete. "

Hmm, I'd never thought about it that way. I assume Enochain would have a similar effect (unless you've actually learned the language!). I've noticed that the Magus' speech seems to be the door into the altered state. That is, concentrating on simply listening passively to the call/invocation usually produces some kind of (almost hallucinatory) shift in the character of the voice, and then the vision begins. Have you noticed anything like that when entering a "non-rational state of mind"?"

93 Iamus: That coheres with my understanding & experience. Whatever gets people beyond their normal, rational mindset is what is really conducive; I think it is why Enochian has a similar effect to Barbarous words.

@Veronica said

"I just wanted to say thank you very much for the link to the musicial practice. This is exactly the sort of thing I was thinking about using for my childrens musicial development, exposing them to a variety of different cultural music, but with the goal of allowing them thier own creative freedom to explore the sounds.

Great practice!"

93 Veronica: My pleasure. It was developed by Soror FF who I have worked with in several scrying experiments.

@Daegal said

" Thank you IAO! This really was informative, and very helpful. I especially am intrigued with the musical skrying. I appreciate the expert advice and suggestions for a defined method with using a seer.

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93 Daegal: My pleasure. I hope you try out the musical scrying technique and see if it's useful to you.

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I think that the root of music is entrainment, which start with the fetus entraining its heart beat, and brain waves, and nerve impulses in the skin, to that of its mothers.

Simple and symbolic, quite sure... Yet true.

One of my hearttrobs helped out in the production of a fantastic video called. The Heart is a Drum Machine. Used to be availible on youtube and netflix.

Singing has been used for ages in what could be called or concidered the womens mysteries. When a parent is holding a screaming child, and nothing she can do has quelled its screams, an innate sence will compell the parent to shush....( which sounds similiar to the white noise inside the womb) or hum. And it works, hence every culture that we know of has a lullaby, of some sort, the will of the parent manifesting a change, magick.

@Daegal said

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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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The very first sound that we hear is our mothers heartbeat,
The primal beat is music for your soul.
Without this music
You cannot have magick.
Every single act,
Is musicial.

Some music just sounds better to us then others.

I highly recommend this book to any person interested in bringing more music into thier lives, and more magick too.

www.amazon.com/When-Drummers-Were-Women-Spiritual/dp/0609801287

Ps. Dont let its title fool you, it isnt "sexist.""

You think this is the root if music perhaps? Our mothers heartbeat? Thats a interesting theory. Ive read a bit about the mystery of tge origibs of music etc, and how universal it is to humans. I like this simple and even symbolic type of idea.

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